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Originally posted by cronodevir Don't start with this Sigmund Freud crap. Because he and you is full of shit.

I haven't even started down the Sigmund Freud line of thinking. Most of my analysis has to do with criminology and modern behavioral psychology, anyhow...

...but if you really want to get pedantic, I can!

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Originally posted by RichieV Have you taken your medication today?

I wouldn't piss him off. He might burn your house down and jerk off into the ashes.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

I agree with Crono, im now convinced.

Downloading Linux as we speak, i`ve had it with this Windows shite!

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Originally posted by cronodevir Lol, Your talking to a guy who thinks it should be illegal to make money off software in the first place. You develop a project because you want to see good in it. The same way you write music because you want to hear good things. Everyone, Attention, RichieV thinks only a pathetic looser would make music without getting any self benefit. That is his stance. His position. His belief system. Because software development is no less an art form for so many people, than making music is. Its nice to finally see your fucked up attitude towards artists who don't do it for the money. DJ RANN I have the correct view on the world. You know I'm tired of trying to beat around the bush, how can you be this fucking naive? Linxu does everything windows does, and its free. "Third parties were incredibly slow to react to the changes meaning there were many compatibility issues and of course, MS got the blame." You just said it. You pointed out a core flaw with that model. So about things being "easy/intuitive/logical" By your definition, you HAVE to agree FLStudio is a better program than Cubase. Because its easier to use, its intuitive, and its logical. This is your own definition now. Apple is less than 2% of the computing world aswell. A million people may have iPods, but 10 times as many people have generic mp3 players. Everyone I know has an mp3 player, in the collage I have been to i didn't seen a single iPod, but I did see hundreds of different types of generic mp3 players. I didn't see an iPhones either. More people run a linux based system than Mac OS, simply because of Linux great server capabilities. Lol, you want to reduce some of the most elegant coding [viruses] to simple "skriptkiddie" pandering? Really you jest. Windows is a playground for those coders who wish to show that coding is an artform. I don't know any branch of software development that shows such creativity. Much like a virus in the real world. It sounds to me like you have, too many times, been the victim of malware, all I can say is stop using windows and most of it just goes away. People don't write viruses for linux because they known they don't as the freedom that they have on windows. If a virus were to turn up on linux it wouldn't last long because most linux users know about this shit. What does this have to do with music production? Coding software is an art for nearly every coder ive met. And that is alot. Its something they do because its fun. And when you have comments like RichieV basically saying there is no merit in coding without a self benefit. It makes me wonder why they are making music. And do they see music as just an avenue for revenue?

you've just proved the following things:

1, you're a coding geek that "recognises coding is an artform". Yes, to some degree it is...but only to a coding geek. Sorry but no-one else on this planet gives a shit, it just needs to work. There's nothing wrong with being that, just relaise you are in a tiny minority and your views are limited to that small society of believers.

2, By your own admission, you live in "bum fuck nowhere". I take that to mean the styx, boonies, nowheresville etc. - go to any major city in any country and I promise you on the streets you will not be able go 20 seconds without seeing a ipod or iphone. Christ, at my gym it looks like a fucking apple cult farm (which is not a good thing). Seriously, apple have not sold "a million ipods" THEY'VE SOLD 173,000,000!!! (as of Sept 2008). That's nearly one for every man woman and child in the USA. You must live in a place that doesn't have an apple store or widely available internet to not know anyone that has one. Apple is now the 3rd largest mobile phone handset supplier in the world, the iphone being their only model. you see where I'm going with this? Sorry, but you really don't know what you're talking about.

In America, apples share is actually around 16% of the computer market, and in fact 66% of all computers sold that cost over $1000 are macs.

I don't think 16% of the USA uses linux now does it?

I'm not saying linux isn't good or that you;re wrong about it's features - it's great if you like that sort of thing and can be bothered with all the tinkering that goes with it, but you're on a music forum - not a pc/programming forum and people don't care for the inner codings of software, just that it works and works well.

By the way - FL is not the most intuitive to a lot of people - I for one hate the pattern based sequencing and like linear display sequencing - so do a few million others.

so do i get some sort of special prize for creating such a shit storm ? Unfortunately , i soon leave for LA for another project and i will be AWOL for at least 4 months.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN FL is not the most intuitive to a lot of people - I for one hate the pattern based sequencing and like linear display sequencing - so do a few million others.

That's not what most people say however. FLStudio is likely the most used music software there is. Its also the most pirated [which probably has alot to do with it being used so much]

RichieV Where do you see a shit storm? No one is insulting anyone. No one is name calling or flaming. We are having a discussion. Albiet its off-topic, but i suggested earlier that we move this discussion elsewhere.

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Originally posted by cronodevir RichieV Where do you see a shit storm? No one is insulting anyone. No one is name calling or flaming. We are having a discussion. Albiet its off-topic, but i suggested earlier that we move this discussion elsewhere.

never madea a thread with so many pages.

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Originally posted by RichieV never madea a thread with so many pages.

I think it all started with Cronodevir saying that everyone should start using FLAC

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Originally posted by cronodevir Why in music or software, would you want the total quality equal to the lowest common denominator among us? By you reasoning, Could I make a synth that has 3 buttons "House sound" "Trance Sound" "Psy Sound" and it magically produces your leads for you? It would be easy, intuitive and logical. You click a button and you have 'that' sound. And futher more, I would go and tell people using a Virus "with all those fnagled knobs and sliders" that the virus is too complicated for the average user and is thus bad hardware. And following this path could someone later say that "3 buttons is too complicated"..and make a synth with one button?

Apples and oranges. Of course you want major tweakability with a synth. The basic computer user doesn't want major tweakability, they want consistency and support. A hardware gearhead is not really (necessarily) comparable to your basic computer user.

Also, if we're going down that route, synth presets are not inherently evil, either. I don't build a new piano every time I want to play it...that doesn't mean I can't make beautiful or creative music with it. Also, keep in mind sample-based production. You can make some pretty amazing things out of "one sound".

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Originally posted by david.michael Apples and oranges. Of course you want major tweakability with a synth. The basic computer user doesn't want major tweakability, they want consistency and support. A hardware gearhead is not really (necessarily) comparable to your basic computer user.

But what I am saying is you can't afford to have a gap like that, esp now since "your average computer user" IS getting into production and other fields, and they are bringing the over quality down. Even if you don't want to talk about control over the industry or control over the internet. You have to still see that simplification and pandering to the LCD hurts everyone. On one end you have easy to use and very restrictive software. On the other end you have very complex software, but you have the most control and the best quality.

I would rather have your average level of computing on a complex level with less people using computers because of it. Than have the average level extremely simplified, but it becomes accessible to everyone. And THAT is because the simpler it gets, the less control WE [advanced users] have over the software available, and the people who know shit about computers become [already are] the majority influence on further projects down the line. What I mentioned about that 1 button synth. It can ONLY go this route. This line of reasoning could hypothetically see the end of music all together. Music could become too complicated to make or listen to for your average person. And then even music or art could become niche.

Humanity in general is devolving. Most peoples ability and understanding is only getting worse. And by making the majority of software simple and panderish to the LCD, you only help that devolution.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Humanity in general is devolving. Most peoples ability and understanding is only getting worse. And by making the majority of software simple and panderish to the LCD, you only help that devolution.

The declination you perceive might have more to do with more people having access to technology (i.e. YouTube) that reveals how dumb they really are, rather than any devolution that might actually be occurring.

Lol, Tu Che!

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i'm the alchemist without the cyst without a doubt out of the mist
dig out the grout expose the pest to take it out without the rest

they will attest my patients restorations from the best

i'm from the west i'm not an acmeist only the alchemist