most midi controllers don't have inbuilt sounds. Limited functionality ? not if you have a decent card that makes low latency not an issue. In that case you can hear the sound you actually want to trigger. And people won't have to adjust all their midi information to correspond to the actual intended trigger.

Your logic is really hard to folllow. You critize people for their crappy keyboards for not doing what yours can do which is something i'm assuming you have to do as a result of your crappy soundcard not being able to handle low latency.

you have to understand that for most soundcards made in the last 8 years

512 latency is really nothing.

most modern cards can handle 256 quite comfortably.

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Originally posted by RichieV most midi controllers don't have inbuilt sounds. Limited functionality ? not if you have a decent card that makes low latency not an issue. Your logic is really hard to folllow. You critize people for their crappy keyboards for not doing what your can do as a result of your crappy soundcard.

What does the sound card have to do with it? Wether the sound card is crappy or not, there is still more benefit doing things this way.

Higher latency will have a better audio quality no matter what the setup. And the ceiling to what you can do is a lot higher.

To be honest I'm surprised sound cards are not obsolete these days.

Again, Who cares if they can handle 256? The object, the point, of latency is to set it as high as you can for maximal sound quality. Your saying it can handle 256 as if that is somehow a good thing. Latency isn't even an issue for many people anymore. So wether a card can handle lower latency...who cares??? To be honest, higher latency setting would be nice.

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Originally posted by cronodevir I don't see why people use low latencies if they don't have to. Using low latency is like saying [I'll only get 256MB of ram because that is all I need.] The "benefits" of low latency are insignificant at most. Just like the "benefits" of bouncing audio instead of using freeze mode. They are too insignificant to even be a factor in the choice. They have utterly no effect on the work flow. Untill this forum Ive never met anyone who preferred high latency when they didn't use hardware. The whole issue of latency or delay is not even relevant to my world. I jack it up to 2048 simply because I know I won't get stuttering, who cares if the stuttering stops at 512 or 1024? I can go to 2048 and be extra sure it doesn't happen. And no loss to me. Even if I record with a midi keyboard, I can do that regardless of the latency, because midi information doesn't lag.

i KNOW the benefits of all this, latency, working with audio instead of freeze etc etc as a fact of life, because i have tested and experienced it myself.

Or do you think i am imagining things ?

Maybe we all are imagining things and you are the only one who really knows the real truth ?

You are an ignorant moron, who sees himself and nothing else in this world, if things do not apply to you (because you are clueless and clearly does not know any better) its wrong, right ?

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Originally posted by Subtle i KNOW the benefits of all this, latency, working with audio instead of freeze etc etc as a fact of life, because i have tested and experienced it myself. Or do you think i am imagining things ? Maybe we all are imagining things and you are the only one who really knows the real truth ? You are an ignorant moron, who sees himself and nothing else in this world, if things do not apply to you (because you are clueless and clearly does not know any better) its wrong, right ?

The simple fact is your supporting methods that are demonstratively inferior. What your saying, is the exact opposite to what happens. That is why I disagree.

You are saying the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, when it clearly rises in the east and sets in the west. Maby My world is different than yours, who knows, but a lot of what people say about how things work, I find them to be the exact opposite.

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Originally posted by cronodevir The simple fact is your supporting methods that are demonstratively inferior. What your saying, is the exact opposite to what happens. That is why I disagree.

No they are not, you just FAIL to see the benefits, and that is really your loss.

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Originally posted by Subtle No they are not, you just FAIL to see the benefits, and that is really your loss.

Low Latency only benefits those who still use hardware. Your argument about law latency is based on the practices that are pretty much gone, if not now then in the next 10 or so years. Welcome to the 21st Century, Where a lot of music is, or will be software based.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Latency only benefits those who still use hardware.

Then please, just please tell me why i find it annoying and inconvenient when the sound comes late after i press a key on the keyboard, could you please tell me ?

Or again, maybe im just imagining that im annoyed when sound does not come as im used to when i press a key ?

Why do i even switch to my soundcards ASIO driver instead of the Full Duplex one in Cubase which gives me double the latency ?

Because im not sure i know anymore, it could be because:

I LIKE THE SOUND TO COME IMMEDIATELY AFTER I PRESS PLAY ?

I LIKE THE NOTES TO APPEAR IN THE SEQUENCER AS I PLAYED THEM ?

I like my sequencer to be responsive, but it must just be a conspiracy of some sort, im probably just hearing things that arent there.

Maybe i should go visit a shrink or something ?

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Ok can SOMEONE PLEASE tell me this?

Last time I logged in there was one page and now theres 11.
Is that all off topic talk or if anyone has read, is it worth to read through for my original topic?

Fuck it, I'm gonna prob read it all anyway!

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We got into another debate again.

Subtle. That's not what I experience, you must be doing something wrong.

[This is all funny because I do use low latency for jam sessions, but I'm playing along. shhhh]

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Originally posted by cronodevir We got into another debate again. Subtle. That's not what I experience, you must be doing something wrong. [This is all funny because I do use low latency for jam sessions, but I'm playing along. shhhh]

You know what, there is no other explanation that you are just acting and messing with us all.

In reality you probably know all this but you just argue for the sake of it!

You are probably laughing your ass off behind the computer when you look at the obvious counter arguments against you, and us wasting our precious time actually bothering to argue against.

Well you had me fooled.

I know at least im not going to debate you again, on the very second page everything is explained easy and properly, even my mom would understand why lower latencies are better.

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I told you, I'm going to treat others as they treat me. That is my new found policy :P

Sure I know exactly why low latency is good. I also know what the benefits of high latency are.

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