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Originally posted by DigiNut I agree. He was here recently and I managed to get through about 6 minutes of his set without running back to the techno room, but there is no denying the positive contribution he's made to the genre and the scene in general, both recently and in and before the golden years. Fuck that. This is a club we're talking about. The people who make it a party are the ones out there on the dancefloor, us. Even if the DJ is sincerely having a great time, and you have absolutely no idea whether he really is or if he's just acting or getting off on his own image, even then, every second some partygoer spends trainspotting or staring at the DJ takes away from the party just a little bit. This attitude seems to be endemic to trance - oh, a great party is one where everybody faces the DJ and waves their hands/fists in the air and jumps around and gets lost in their own little world and the DJ reciprocates and there's so much energy in the room. Again, fuck that. A great party is one where people are happy but still social, where you can go meet and hang out with cool people, bust out your best or stupidest dance moves and see other people doing the same, where the sweat is pouring off the ceiling pipes and you just don't care anymore, when you really want a cold beverage but don't want to risk losing your spot or losing track of your friends, where you can get completely shit-faced (or whatever your poison is) and not feel the least bit guilty about it after looking at all the other sketchbags, and then find some sweet piece of ass to take into the women's bathroom and do lines of coke off of. OK, maybe you don't need that last one, but you get the idea. Trance crackers wouldn't know a great party if it bit them square on the ass and started gnawing chunks off. Always fixated on the DJ, what's he playing, what's he doing, not a clue in the world as to what's actually happening around them. I'll take a lifeless DJ over a lifeless crowd any day. Standing in a sea of robotic arms attached to telephone poles is not my idea of a good time. This is why women don't like trance as commonly as guys do. When women go out to dance, they usually want to dance, not stand around watching the DJ dance.

Wow

You couldn't be more correct in your assessment.

Post of the year.

The people I know that met Thijs said he was shy and very friendly actually. Anything but arrogant.

I've heard other things as well though. And honestly, if I could sell posters/merchandise with me or my logo on it, I would. I couldn't give a flying f* about a person's personality as long as I enjoy what they do. I havent really enjoyed Tiesto anymore after his first artist album though. Legendary stuff that album is.

Actually I think many amateur musicians are way more arrogant than your average superstar dj. Thinking those dj's actually care about their (and seemingly the only valid) opinion. There's a reason why they can afford (heck, probably even want) to do those poses. It's a pose, who cares, is it really worth to stress over? I think not. They make music, dj actively and are succesfull at it, yet some people think they know better. Judging from your activity over here instead of in the studio or on stage, you don't .

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 You have to understand most of us are in the business as artists or engineers or produce/dj. I think I speak for everyone here who has been bashing when I say that we don't like sell outs. Yes a lot of this is just personal distaste for people or morally or ethically founded opinions; but you have to admit, these clowns are some of the biggest sell outs there are. Take a look at this and tell me you don't agree.

I do understand that but you guys tend to get wound up about this way too much and let emotion drive your thoughts rather than rational thinking.
I'm not the biggest fan of Tiesto, Armin etc either but I respect what they did and am sure they cop far too much slack. A lot of negativity towards them is not deserved.

As for the songs above, well it doesn't bother me that much. You may hate it but chances are the tracks will make someone else smile and have fun so they will be a success in some way at least. Will it really affect your life that much once they are released?
It's just music man, relax.

Storyteller - I too have heard largely positive thoughts about Tijs from people who have actually met him too and find that a lot of negativity about him and the like is quite often just tall poppy syndrome. People don't like him because he's successful and because he no longer fits into their perfect vision of him. Plus he's associated with trance which just exacerbates things. Then it becomes like talking to creationists about evolution. Emotion takes over logical thinking.

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Originally posted by DigiNut A great party is one where people are happy but still social, where you can go meet and hang out with cool people, bust out your best or stupidest dance moves and see other people doing the same, where the sweat is pouring off the ceiling pipes and you just don't care anymore, when you really want a cold beverage but don't want to risk losing your spot or losing track of your friends, where you can get completely shit-faced (or whatever your poison is) and not feel the least bit guilty about it after looking at all the other sketchbags, and then find some sweet piece of ass to take into the women's bathroom and do lines of coke off of. OK, maybe you don't need that last one, but you get the idea.

OMG YES

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Quoted for emphasis. Carl Cox is without question the most underrated DJ in history. People seem to forget he used to be voted the #1 DJ in the world by DJMag. If his style was more trendy, people would be all over him. Thankfully he's stuck to his roots and hasn't sold out even though he could have and made a ton of money in the process (along with notoriety) - Easily one of the most respected musicians in EDM. Have never heard a negative comment about him in the 11 years I've followed EDM and can say from personal experience he's beyond friendly. You wouldn't know he was headlining a gig or if he was running security for the back entrance if you happened to be wondering around back stage. Unfortunately the same cannot be said for pretty much every international "DJ"

In all honesty i dont know how you can say hes the most underrated dj in history. Sure probably one of his greatest legacys was setting up Intec but then some years later he signs "Just Kick" that horrible Tim Deluxe track over the top of one of the biggest techno records Pontape, to me thats selling out

Hes washed up now, living off past glories, and his incessant babbling on the mic used to make me cringe the few times i saw him

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Originally posted by Fledz Of course I'm dancing for crying out loud, what do you think I'm doing? Chin-stroking and standing there for 6 hours with my hands in the air? Well done on making me look like I'm a candy raver (which you're terrible at doing btw). I enjoy different artists, different music, different genres, different events for different reasons unlike some of you jaded ****s who just complain, whine, bitch and moan if somethin isn't up to your standards. So Digi likes what he likes? Great, I'm happy for him. I like that too but just not always. The difference between myself and some of you is that I can have fun in a multitude of different environments in multiple ways and that is what dance music and music in general is about. It's about having fun, not about having a cry about how "back in my day" and what you think is perfection. Guess what? Your perfection is someone elses rubbish and vice versa. Deal with it, learn to live with it or become a jaded old fuck like the majority of posters in MD. And shit, this looks like it belongs in the MD anyway. Why do we have to turn everything in this forum to shit?

If I go to an event,which isn't that often, I want to see dancers:

gogo, stringers, poppers, tutters, lockers, breakers, steppers, stringers, glowstickers, liquiders.

If it's a good party then there will be people like that.

If someone thinks the DJ is god than it probably makes the music sound better, but I don't like that kind of DJ worship mentality.

One night during the warm up slot there was this decently sized break circle and the DJ drops this progressive house tune with a 30 second breakdown and throws his arms into the arm. No one was impressed and people in the circle were just kind of tapping their toes waiting for it to be over. He wasn't even paying any attention to what was going on to the dance floor...

Good dancers at an event add so much, it's incredible.

If you want to bop up and down like a cork that's fine, but you can't tell we've lost something.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

I guess I just can't accept that some of you will ever get it. The things he does, says, and his actions in management and promotion are completely transparent. He is a sell out in any sense of the word and I don't understand how you guys can't see that. He was immensely talented and it's just sad to see the downward spiral his career has taken.

It's all about the money and the fame. You can tell. Throwing Kanye West in his sets; working with the biggest vocalists that can stand him; 12/17 tracks on his album are collabs. One day you will all be intelligent enough to see what a clown he is and hopefully there will be some new artists who actually deserve the adoration and respect of the fans and clubbers. It's not just him either, but he is the worst. It seems everyone at the top sells out in order to get there. I don't see one person that has been strong to their roots and just done what they love. Sad fucking times.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 I guess I just can't accept that some of you will ever get it. The things he does, says, and his actions in management and promotion are completely transparent. He is a sell out in any sense of the word and I don't understand how you guys can't see that. He was immensely talented and it's just sad to see the downward spiral his career has taken. It's all about the money and the fame. You can tell. Throwing Kanye West in his sets; working with the biggest vocalists that can stand him; 12/17 tracks on his album are collabs. One day you will all be intelligent enough to see what a clown he is and hopefully there will be some new artists who actually deserve the adoration and respect of the fans and clubbers. It's not just him either, but he is the worst. It seems everyone at the top sells out in order to get there. I don't see one person that has been strong to their roots and just done what they love. Sad fucking times.

First paragraph: Saying his career is going downwards while he is still the 3rd most popular dj worldwide is a bit harsh isn't it?

Second paragraph:
"Throwing Kanye West in his sets;"
Ever heard of thinking outside the box? Or playing what you like as a dj?

"working with the biggest vocalists that can stand him;"
prove it.

"12/17 tracks on his album are collabs"
If that makes him less good of an artist you probably don't like bands, otherwise you're a hypocrite. Working together on projects is fun and he surely doesn't need it.

"One day you will all be intelligent enough to see what a clown he is and hopefully there will be some new artists who actually deserve the adoration and respect of the fans and clubbers."
This is the world turned upside down. Blaming the artist in question for having fans. Hilarious.

"I don't see one person that has been strong to their roots and just done what they love."
Yes he never really was a dj/producer . And he never had fun dj-ing either.

Your statements reflect a lot of negativity while you refrain from making any objective statements. It's all based on your opinion for the sake of having an argument. Sad fucking times indeed.

I'm out of here. It's time to let this epic display of inadequacy and poor arguments fade away.

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you're just whining 'cos you haven't got to play ibiza yet

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Originally posted by macrocosm you're just whining 'cos you haven't got to play ibiza yet

Meh. I'm on the island right now and everyone I spoke to wasn't going to see him on Tuesday because he's such a sellout tool
Personally I couldn't bring myself to do it either.

Armin absolutely rocked his final set at Armada last night though.. 3 hours of mayhem
Seven Cities
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Originally posted by macrocosm you're just whining 'cos you haven't got to play ibiza yet

That almost makes sense.

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What exactly has Tiesto done to warrant all of this "fame" ?

For those new comers, let me put this in perspective for you. How would you view a wannabe Deadmau5 that came along wearing a mouse hat and playing half the tunes that Deadmau5 plays? I ask this because that's exactly what Tiesto did except he was copying Oakenfold.

Oakenfold started the "jesus" pose. Oakenfold wasn't the first to spin Trance, but he was, without even debate, the most important figure in Trance history because he brought it to the masses. All Tiesto did was try to live in his shadow. Playing a lot of the same tunes, acting a lot like him on stage, trying to get the same tour schedules going, etc. He's been an idea thief ever since anybody has known who he is. I can't fathom how people can #1 respect him and #2 actually believe he did something for Trance. If Tiesto was never born, Trance would be exactly where it is now (it would probably be better.) So again, why are people so obsessed with somebody who has somebody writes his music, steals tunes, steals ideas, and claimed his way to fame by literally living in the shadow of Paul Oakenfold.

Tiesto might be a great guy and he may love the music more than most, but it doesn't change the fact that he is not an innovator and has done a lot of unethical things in his career and never really did anything for dance music. I personally believe, with 100% conviction, that Trance music as we know it would be much better off today if Tiesto never existed.