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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Tiesto is a horrible example. That is not HIS music. You obviously haven't listened to his music he never uses the same shit. It's always the fad of the moment. What exactly are you referring to as the same retarded shit? It's pretty vague. And how can you make such a broad generalization about something that you haven't personally done or experienced? It's very elitist of you to make statements like you are.

eh? never uses the same shit? what planet you on? and the only trends he sets is via intresting hooks riffs ect and not the sounds he uses to make them. or the producers he pays to make them.

and please wake up tiesto is a perfect example why the dance seane is so stagnet and totaly undermine what you stand for.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Owien - Can I send you 1000 samples and can you tell me the names of the tracks you have heard them in? Thanks

if you wish steve

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Originally posted by owien bt,m.i.k.e,lolo,john oo fleming,airbase are keeping it all alive with thier work...fact

I guarantee that all those producers have used samples. They may still make a lot of their own, but they have all used other people's samples....fact

I can't wait to hear this song of yours you'll be making using samples. If it's not up to the standard of, say, a "muppet" like Activa (I've recognised Vengeance samples in his work), then what will that make you? What is less than a "muppet"?

You come across as extremely ignorant. You could just say "sometimes I hear a song which sounds like a bunch of presets and ready-made samples thrown together, and it sounds very generic", and in all likelihood we would all agree with that. I know I would, there are plenty of "cookie cutter trance songs" out there which are highly unoriginal.

But there are also many, many songs which use samples, which are highly original. Most likely, much more original than your songs in which you don't use samples. Originality comes from many things, of which creating your own samples is a very small part. You seem to over-estimate the importance of creating your own samples. Realise that this is your own personal viewpoint, and that it will cause you to label almost all of your favourite producers as "muppets".

None of us are saying it's a bad thing to create your own samples - absolutely not. There are many different ways to achieve the end result, and variety is a good thing. As I said in an earlier post, some people may draw in all their volume automation rather than using compressors, and their music may sound very slightly different because of that. If the person wants to do that, that's their choice. If you want to create your own samples, that's your choice.

But please, don't try to convince a community of producers that this small aspect of production, creating your own samples, is the be-all and end-all of originality. Because it just plain isn't.

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Originally posted by derail I guarantee that all those producers have used samples. They may still make a lot of their own, but they have all used other people's samples....fact I can't wait to hear this song of yours you'll be making using samples. If it's not up to the standard of, say, a "muppet" like Activa (I've recognised Vengeance samples in his work), then what will that make you? What is less than a "muppet"? You come across as extremely ignorant. You could just say "sometimes I hear a song which sounds like a bunch of presets and ready-made samples thrown together, and it sounds very generic", and in all likelihood we would all agree with that. I know I would, there are plenty of "cookie cutter trance songs" out there which are highly unoriginal. But there are also many, many songs which use samples, which are highly original. Most likely, much more original than your songs in which you don't use samples. Originality comes from many things, of which creating your own samples is a very small part. You seem to over-estimate the importance of creating your own samples. Realise that this is your own personal viewpoint, and that it will cause you to label almost all of your favourite producers as "muppets". None of us are saying it's a bad thing to create your own samples - absolutely not. There are many different ways to achieve the end result, and variety is a good thing. As I said in an earlier post, some people may draw in all their volume automation rather than using compressors, and their music may sound very slightly different because of that. If the person wants to do that, that's their choice. If you want to create your own samples, that's your choice. But please, don't try to convince a community of producers that this small aspect of production, creating your own samples, is the be-all and end-all of originality. Because it just plain isn't.

so tell me this how do you hope to make it your own?IF YOU USE OTHER PEOPLES WORK TO MAKE IT THEN ITS NOT YOUR WORK.



and wtf do you meen creating your own samples is only a smal part of prouducthion that's total bullshit it goes much deaper then one shots or pads it's the hole basis of making a edm track ffs.

and i dont belive for one min that everybody here thinks swipping other peoples work is ok

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Originally posted by owien and i dont belive for one min that everybody here thinks swipping other peoples work is ok

"Swiping other people's work" is your way of seeing it. As I said earlier, using that logic, I would be perfectly legitimate in criticising you for "swiping other people's work" if you use a computer you didn't build from the ground up.

You do seem to have a lot of people disagreeing with your viewpoint. I think if you asked your favourite producers whether they've used samples in some of their productions, and they actually decided to answer you, they would respond with "of course I've used samples in some productions. WTF?"

Using a few one-shot drum samples in a song (kick, hihat, snare), and creating everything else yourself, doesn't mean the song is going to be unoriginal. I don't know how you'd get such a warped viewpoint.

Creating the kick, hihat and snare samples yourself and using them in a song might possibly make it 1% more original.

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Originally posted by owien so yes i may be coming across rude now because i'm trying to point out making your own shit from top to bottom will lead to new ideas and fresh sounds and give people something to stop and think about. bt,m.i.k.e,lolo,jhon oo fleming,airbase are keeping it all alive with thier work...fact

Have you not seen the tutorials yet? He's using VEC kicks and old school loops to make his track "back."

Airbase Back Tutorial

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

I get the feeling he's in his own world at the moment. I don't think he'll take in evidence contrary to his beliefs.

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Originally posted by owien none because the producers i look up to have built up their own sound banks spaning over years and years.and made thier own sound and presets.

There's no way to even know or prove this so claiming this shows how big of a moron you are. It's all based off what someone says!

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Originally posted by owien eh? never uses the same shit? what planet you on? and the only trends he sets is via intresting hooks riffs ect and not the sounds he uses to make them. or the producers he pays to make them. and please wake up tiesto is a perfect example why the dance seane is so stagnet and totaly undermine what you stand for.

The first part is dead wrong and the second part is right (but way off topic)

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Originally posted by owien so tell me this how do you hope to make it your own?IF YOU USE OTHER PEOPLES WORK TO MAKE IT THEN ITS NOT YOUR WORK. and wtf do you meen creating your own samples is only a smal part of prouducthion that's total bullshit it goes much deaper then one shots or pads it's the hole basis of making a edm track ffs. and i dont belive for one min that everybody here thinks swipping other peoples work is ok

It's a fucking sample dude! It's not a track. Most of us here only use samples for our drums or an odd sound that fits perfect with an idea. Music is about developing your ideas and it doesn't matter what is used if it's abletons built in synth, omnisphere, a virus, or a sample. As long as it fits in your song it doesn't matter. The fact you think otherwise is disturbing.

I'm guessing you'll never make a remix then right? Or else you're going against your own theories.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 There's no way to even know or prove this so claiming this shows how big of a moron you are. It's all based off what someone says!

please do me a favor and get a grip you think for one second after years and years of edm production they wont have learnd to make all the sounds they need in their work.

how else did they stand out what's their signia tune to let people know and love their tracks?

well let me tell you its not by using the most popular presets or sample packs...twat

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 It's a fucking sample dude! It's not a track. Most of us here only use samples for our drums or an odd sound that fits perfect with an idea. Music is about developing your ideas and it doesn't matter what is used if it's abletons built in synth, omnisphere, a virus, or a sample. As long as it fits in your song it doesn't matter. The fact you think otherwise is disturbing. I'm guessing you'll never make a remix then right? Or else you're going against your own theories.

whats more strange is that you dont see how spending time creating every thing you need is a way to seperate your work from the pack. you clearly dont want to or just have not learnt how