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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Untouched would mean you didn't correctly set the warping engine, or turn off dither. All which will change your sound while a different daw may go about the same process differently.

By untouched I'm talking bout the parameters of the Reason instruments.

I went to preferences and played around with the warping and dithering settings. They didn't make any difference whatsoever.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 You're just not understanding that there are MANY small settings within each daw that could slightly alter the output of audio files from it. I'd say the real problem is people don't know their equipment; probably because most of it has been pirated

Ableton is the only one that fucks sound up out-of-the-box. Default, blank, vanilla ableton, fucks up sounds, and forces you to go out of your way to get it right. That's called bad development. No other DAW in the history of man, is specificly set up by default, to fuck shit up.

No matter what angle you try to take, the error will always fall on your side. Fine, you don't want to call it bad sound quality, then we will call it bad development. Either way, the problem is with Ableton. Users shouldn't have to go into ableton and disable useless options in order to get a good product. Cubase is the same way, only its not the shit you have to disable its all the shit you have to "set-up" You can't just open cubase and start using vstis and all this other shit...no, you have to spend a few hours setting everything up....for every single project. You have to set up "media pools" what the fuck is that shit? Why can't cubase simply integrate into the explorer and pull media from that? In FL its one click and you have access right-then to every sample on your hard drive. You can literally drag and drop media.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Cubase is the same way, only its not the shit you have to disable its all the shit you have to "set-up" You can't just open cubase and start using vstis and all this other shit...no, you have to spend a few hours setting everything up....for every single project. You have to set up "media pools" what the fuck is that shit? Why can't cubase simply integrate into the explorer and pull media from that?

Nice fabrication, it takes 3 seconds to start a new project. All you have to do is to pick a folder for the track. You can drag and drop files too, even across projects.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Ableton is the only one that fucks sound up out-of-the-box. Default, blank, vanilla ableton, fucks up sounds, and forces you to go out of your way to get it right. That's called bad development. No other DAW in the history of man, is specificly set up by default, to fuck shit up. No matter what angle you try to take, the error will always fall on your side. Fine, you don't want to call it bad sound quality, then we will call it bad development. Either way, the problem is with Ableton. Users shouldn't have to go into ableton and disable useless options in order to get a good product. Cubase is the same way, only its not the shit you have to disable its all the shit you have to "set-up" You can't just open cubase and start using vstis and all this other shit...no, you have to spend a few hours setting everything up....for every single project. You have to set up "media pools" what the fuck is that shit? Why can't cubase simply integrate into the explorer and pull media from that? In FL its one click and you have access right-then to every sample on your hard drive. You can literally drag and drop media.

I have never had to turn anything off or edit any settings at all. Because I know what they do. You have to remember Ableton has many different uses. With those many different uses comes the ability to set it up for the particular reason you yourself are using it.

Of course when a clown like yourself pirates it and expects to know everything with a couple clicks; I could see the reason you got frustrated and went to FL LOL.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 I could see the reason you got frustrated and went to FL LOL.

the media pool is just a window that shows all the wavs in your project.. you dont have to set anything up. and you can drag and drog from explorer fool

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Cubase is the same way, only its not the shit you have to disable its all the shit you have to "set-up" You can't just open cubase and start using vstis and all this other shit...no, you have to spend a few hours setting everything up....for every single project. You have to set up "media pools" what the fuck is that shit? Why can't cubase simply integrate into the explorer and pull media from that?

"fruitynoob"

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 I have never had to turn anything off or edit any settings at all. Because I know what they do. You have to remember Ableton has many different uses. With those many different uses comes the ability to set it up for the particular reason you yourself are using it. Of course when a clown like yourself pirates it and expects to know everything with a couple clicks; I could see the reason you got frustrated and went to FL LOL.

Yeah, I pirated all my software, and you didn't. And I will still make better music.

Btw, Ive been using FL since 1998. Before Ableton was a twinkle in anyones eye. I tried Ableton when it came out in 2001, couldn't even find the sequencer after 20 minutes...I have since deleted it, and never tried it again. And its currently the worst of the major DAWs, and its no wonder why. It has, according to you, bad sound quality by default.

Its funny how everyone hates on FL because it advanced faster than any other DAW. FL needs to fix hardware delay...that one thing will literally put FL on the front wave. [well, it will shut most of you up anyways] Like I said, Pro-Tools is pretty much the only competition. Ableton has a shitty sound engine [google ableton, its the number one problem], cubase has a shitty everything in version 4 and 5 [fuck, no one even wants to pirate it..lol], Logic is on Mac, and by the masses, thats a downfall in and of itself. Because that means all you can use your computer for is logic..because lets face it, Macs don't have ANY GOOD SOFTWARE on them besides logic and photoshop. People these days want computers for multi-purposes. Reason doesn't have vsti support..its basicly protools without the good stuff. Did I miss anything?

Back in the day Cubase SX3 was the front line app, but FL7 pretty much matched everything it had to offer. We are at FL9.

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FL 9: Gotta say I'm very impressed what they did with their Playlist cuz that was one of the biggest drawbacks to me in using FL.

I've only messed around with it for a few mins with the tracks it comes with (a nice lil track from Toby Emerson included). Will play with it more later, but its lookin pretty damn good right now. Not good enough to sway me from Ableton, but good enough for me to consider to produce music in it again every so often.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 I tried Ableton when it came out in 2001, couldn't even find the sequencer after 20 minutes...I have since deleted it, and never tried it again. And its currently the worst of the major DAWs, and its no wonder why.

So you're basing your entire opinion on the very first version of a software that you tried for 20 minutes?

All right, now you got me convinced.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery So you're basing your entire opinion on the very first version of a software that you tried for 20 minutes? All right, now you got me convinced.

Exactly what I thought. You haven't tried the thing in 8 years since version 1 and you're harping on about it? AHAHAHAHHAHA

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