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Sonic_c
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
He solves internationa conflicts.


Lol Gordon brown solving international conflicts! causing them more like.


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david.michael
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Dayton, OH, USA

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Funnily enough it just happened again. Fuck this...


Tsk tsk, you're smart enough to keep backups... especially after experiencing a disaster before.

That sucks, though... hopefully you're able to save it!

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DJ RANN
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Registered: May 2001
Location: Hollywood....

quote:
Originally posted by Sonic_c
Lol Gordon brown solving international conflicts! causing them more like.


No, not gordon brown, the prime minister as a concept.

OT, yes, I have thought about throwing the towell in but then I hear some old record (or sometimes a new one) that gets me craving again. I'm nearly completely in the box, so haven't spent 10's of 1000's on hardware, so a couple of grand on computers and software isn't the greatest burden of pressure to make something classic or financially supportive.

I have a job in the music industry but now also a new business completly outside of that which forces long breaks from producing (like now, 4 weeks and counting) - while annoying at times, it does make me want it more when I get back to it and keeps it all fresh. I think if I had plugged away solidly for last 10 years and not got anywhere, I think I'd be sick of it though.

I aksed Dubfire (deepdish) what would be his one golden tip for a producer and he said find a track or producer that you really like or want to be as good as, and A/B your stuff to it. He said that was the major thing that changed his productions way back and I have to say it's true. It's probably done more to help me try to reach my own goals than any other single tip.

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MrJiveBoJingles
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Registered: Jun 2004
Location: U.S.

quote:
Originally posted by DJ RANN
I aksed Dubfire (deepdish) what would be his one golden tip for a producer and he said find a track or producer that you really like or want to be as good as, and A/B your stuff to it. He said that was the major thing that changed his productions way back and I have to say it's true. It's probably done more to help me try to reach my own goals than any other single tip.

It does help, but the A/B process is also one of the parts that frustrates me the most when I hear how far I still have to go.

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Mr.Mystery
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Vantaa

quote:
Originally posted by david.michael
Tsk tsk, you're smart enough to keep backups... especially after experiencing a disaster before.

That sucks, though... hopefully you're able to save it!

Oh, I have majority of it saved on this laptop. It's just that I had everything modified just the way I wanted them to be and it's going to take ages to get it all together again. Dunno if it's worth the hassle.


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david.michael
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quote:
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Oh, I have majority of it saved on this laptop. It's just that I had everything modified just the way I wanted them to be and it's going to take ages to get it all together again. Dunno if it's worth the hassle.


Aaah, gotchya.

Well, hopefully it can feel like a fresh start (again) and give you a new, inspirational perspective (again)...heh.

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Mr.Mystery
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Aaah, gotchya.

Well, hopefully it can feel like a fresh start (again) and give you a new, inspirational perspective (again)...heh.

And you've got to love the irony too.


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music2dance2
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Registered: Jul 2001
Location: U.K.

quote:
Originally posted by nrjizer
At some point JBJ you have to let go of the pressure.

It's kind of a fucked up catch 22. You want to be making quality music, but it's your relentless drive that is also your hinderance. I've experienced a lot of the same frustrations. Within 4 months of buying Logic and making a serious committment to production, I had created a track that ended up being signed. It's no crown jewel of a track, but it's solid tune and it received positive feedback from some respectable and fairly well known names. After that track was signed, I expected my production output and quality to just go up linearly from that point. That was a year and a half ago.

Instead, the opposite happened. Expectations turned into pressure, and pressure turned into stagnation. In retrospect, I see that I was able to create that track becuase I had absolutely zero expectations at that time of creating anything that would be signed. After all, I was only 3-4 months into the game. As such, there was no pressure involved in writing it, and I was able to simply finish it and be content with it. I was quite suprised when it got picked up.

Looking back at the last year and a half of my attempted productions, I can not only see a steady improvement in the overall quality and competence of my compositions, but I can pick out a few stalled out projects that were actually pretty damn good. I was unable to see this at the time, however, because I was too busy comparing my tunes to those of my musical heroes. If you're climbing a mountain and you're solely fixated on the top, then you're unable to actually see just how far you've really come.

That soundcloud track I posted on the Ishboard was the first thing I've actually been able to flesh out into a full length, start to finish musical expression in a long, long time. It was composed entirely from scratch in the span of 3.5 hours. I had been working on a groove for the past 2 weeks that had completely stalled out, and out of frustration I decided that I was just going to open a new project file and try something else. Within about 60 seconds of noodling I had come up with that bass pattern, and the rest I just completely cranked out without any real expectations. It was only when I was finished that I was able to listen to it and realize that I had actually created something that was (relatively) good. It wouldn't have happened had I not just let my creativity flow without hinderance (This is the track, if anyone's curious).

Remove your expectations and pressures. This includes the pressure of trying to write something that you or anyone else could spin. Just make music. You're not going to reach the quality level of your musical heroes if you don't allow yourself the time and space to develop as an artist.


Again great post. I to have been working on something for some weeks. Only this past week decided to start something new. My trouble is letting go whne its not working. If I have something good but just grinds to a halt I just have to keep going. I'm working on letting go much sooner now when that happens.

OT - The thought has entered my mind in the past but I can see improvemnet all the time so I know I'll reach my goals. So I have to keep going. Music is my passion so I couldnt do without it. Ive had breaks though. During the early part of production when I didnt have a clue there was months when I didnt do much.

Recently though, around xmas 2007 I decided to invest in some books and learn the things I didnt know, that would further my skills. It was around 2 months and I didnt produce a thing.

It was good learning and I was itching to make something but I held back till I finished these books. Once I got back in there, it really helped as I applied all I learnt. Now in 2009 I would stil take a break, its sometimes needed. Prob just a week or 2 though.

Anyway each to there own, you have to do what you have to do at the end of the day mate.

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wrzonance
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Registered: Aug 2003
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Back up frequently. Back up often.

I run a file server in my house that stores EVERYTHING (3tb worth of movies/music/samples/projects/software/photos/etc) it's raid 5, so if a harddrive shits all over itself I just swap a new 1tb drive and rebuild the array.

And I back that up to an external hard drive.

I am also researching off-site rsync servers that I can upload everything to. I'll pay a monthly fee, but as long as it's private it'll be worth it incase my house burns down.

Call me obsessive, but I've been burned so many times by massive data losses that I've become paranoid over the years.


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mfitterer1
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Registered: Jul 2008
Location: Oregon

quote:
Originally posted by wrzonance
Back up frequently. Back up often.

I run a file server in my house that stores EVERYTHING (3tb worth of movies/music/samples/projects/software/photos/etc) it's raid 5, so if a harddrive shits all over itself I just swap a new 1tb drive and rebuild the array.

And I back that up to an external hard drive.

I am also researching off-site rsync servers that I can upload everything to. I'll pay a monthly fee, but as long as it's private it'll be worth it incase my house burns down.

Call me obsessive, but I've been burned so many times by massive data losses that I've become paranoid over the years.


Amen on that!

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Zak McKracken
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after i got myself a mac and using timemachine, backup goes of itself. damn good stuff, just plugin an external disk once a week and ur done. now if my house burns down its all lost though so im considering finding a fireproof safe for my disk and most important papers.

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wrzonance
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Registered: Aug 2003
Location: Seattle, WA

I'm wondering if there's a service out there that allows me to snail-mail my data to them.

I calculated how long it will take to upload 3TB at 96 KB/s:

3,221,225,472 KB divided by 96 KB/s = 33554432 seconds

Or...

388.3614814814815 days

So yeah. I'm going to see if I can just send them some hard drives, have them copy it over, and then from then on rsync over the Internet.


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