Well... This discussion has been going on for many hours...

I'm flying to Florida in the am so I can't participate anymore...

Speaking about old school, I'm pissed about missing Oakie on the 6th...

It's good to see a new (old) person who shares many of the same views as me on our little scene...

Hope to meet you someday...

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Originally posted by chinamon chinamon is INCH MOAN. LOL so fitting.

Jaded much?

I think the problem lies more with the fact that you're all getting old! Kidding

Even after my five years of partying, I'm still enjoying it as much as I started. I'm too self absorbed in the life loving aspect to let annoying trends and "posers" really get to me. I do agree with the original post, and some of the stuff that has been said though. Unfortunately I don't think it'll get any better..

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Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty i said it once and i'll say it again and again. when system closed the doors that was it !!

I'd say Industry closing down..and the last Luqid Adrenaline party..

Seriously though, people in the current scene who never got to experience it would probably give up their first born to be able to experience a connected party at the better living center or to be a part of an IDance rally...

Why is there even a debate? The people were nicer, the parties were bigger, better and epic. The music was out of this world...There was a sense of community and a something tangible to be a part of. There was a definite innocence to the whole thing...

We will never be able to experience anything like Woodstock in modern times and I'm not arrogant enough to say "Yes we can, we rule. We're the new generation and newer is ALWAYS better" PUHLEASE.

They were beautiful times and for those that experienced it, it was a treat. Now, the scene is what it is and you don't miss what you never had to begin with. Subsequently the new generation of partier is going to believe THIS is the best.

and a big LOL at people that are so entrenched in the current club culture and managements, who feel the need to defend everything. It just shows that you can't be impartial and realistic.

How can anyone that experienced Industry, System. etc argue that the scene has evolved in a positive way?

^^ I like.

I do feel lucky to have been around at the right time, especially to have been able to go to Stereo from 2000-2004, the best clubbing of my life.

Some of the people in the new school take it the wrong way when they think we're saying "ours was best, yours sucks". It's not like that at all. Make the best of what you have available to you. It's only when you don't that you're missing out.

While I agree with the majority of what has been covered, most people are over-looking what had a great deal of importantance in defining the rave culture that us elitists now deem non-existence: Drugs and good ones at that.

They were far more prevalent in the 90's and the use and abuse began to peak in the early 00's. It was a crucial part of making this magical atmosphere integrate with the people and the music. It allowed people to understand the music and the scene as a whole. It wasn't just a "scene", it was a culture, a way of life, a ritual. You were not just hearing something surreal, you felt it in its entirety. For all of you veterans out there you will know there was such intense positive energy that it seemed evident each person would reach nirvana at one point in time. The drugs have always been around and are most definitely here to stay but the bubble burst a long time ago. Kids don't want to have to be all hopped up on MDMA and Ecstasy all night long just to understand the origins of our "raveolution".

Each year that passes us by a new group of teenie boppers reach that legal age and are invited into this culture. You cannot be naive enough to believe things will stay constant each and every year. The only thing constant in this life is change and we as humans don't embrace it. Everyone has their "golden" years in life and if you had the opportunity to experience the EDM life from 1997-2004 then you should be more than thankful for what people will never ever get to experience again. Those memories and feelings simply cannot be recreated.

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Originally posted by Takayuki While I agree with the majority of what has been covered, most people are over-looking what had a great deal of importantance in defining the rave culture that us elitists now deem non-existence: Drugs and good ones at that. They were far more prevalent in the 90's and the use and abuse began to peak in the early 00's. It was a crucial part of making this magical atmosphere integrate with the people and the music. It allowed people to understand the music and the scene as a whole. It wasn't just a "scene", it was a culture, a way of life, a ritual. You were not just hearing something surreal, you felt it in its entirety. For all of you veterans out there you will know there was such intense positive energy that it seemed evident each person would reach nirvana at one point in time. The drugs have always been around and are most definitely here to stay but the bubble burst a long time ago. Kids don't want to have to be all hopped up on MDMA and Ecstasy all night long just to understand the origins of our "raveolution". Each year that passes us by a new group of teenie boppers reach that legal age and are invited into this culture. You cannot be naive enough to believe things will stay constant each and every year. The only thing constant in this life is change and we as humans don't embrace it. Everyone has their "golden" years in life and if you had the opportunity to experience the EDM life from 1997-2004 then you should be more than thankful for what people will never ever get to experience again. Those memories and feelings simply cannot be recreated.

I would argue that the use is rampant..the quality however is garbage...people are ingesting God knows what these days..

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Originally posted by gummybear I would argue that the use is rampant..the quality however is garbage...people are ingesting God knows what these days..

This comes back to my initial point "Drugs and good ones at that". We actually had clean sh!t back in the day which enhanced our experience far greater than we could imagine at that time. The drugs, the vibe and of course the music nowadays is reflective of how the EDM culture really is.

If you ever want an idea of how different things were just scroll to the bottom of the forums and choose the view all the threads from the beginning and go to the last few pages... lol

TOTA first ever roll call -> PvD @ Warehouse Feb 2001 + review

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Originally posted by Swamper If you ever want an idea of how different things were just scroll to the bottom of the forums and choose the view all the threads from the beginning and go to the last few pages... lol TOTA first ever roll call -> PvD @ Warehouse Feb 2001 + review

I remember that party, can't ever forget it. My first big name dj ever. SO GOOD!

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Originally posted by Takayuki You cannot be naive enough to believe things will stay constant each and every year. The only thing constant in this life is change and we as humans don't embrace it. Everyone has their "golden" years in life and if you had the opportunity to experience the EDM life from 1997-2004 then you should be more than thankful for what people will never ever get to experience again. Those memories and feelings simply cannot be recreated.

I haven't gotten much of a feeling that anyone here expected it to last. We've just been discussing the factors that made it change.

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Originally posted by Takayuki The drugs, the vibe and of course the music nowadays is reflective of how the EDM culture really is.

How it really is now.

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Originally posted by Takayuki The drugs, the vibe and of course the music nowadays is reflective of how the EDM culture really is.

Actually I would argue that any scene and the attitudes found within to drugs, fellow party goers, etc are a reflection of the current ideals in society.

Our dance music never contained ideals, it was the people who were popularizing it that did.

Hence the criticism every time any scene undergoes change. The core ideals and ideas often get left behind in any movement because as it gets popular it becomes easier to access.

You don't have to invest anything in order to enjoy it if it's right there, much less understand it.

Very few people go those extra steps for anything, much less music.

Look @ the difference in attitudes about pills now @ then. Stamps meant something regarding the contents & high, they were a conversation piece because it was new to society as a whole.

Production was also more limited so whenever batches travelled through town there was a moderate selection and people knew the flavours.

Now, they are just another tool in the battle against sleep with safety and quality rarely a thought. Ask someone what they dosed and watch the irritated and confused look on their face, followed by a mumbled "I dunno". (again, not a complaint mind you so much as an example. this isn't new information)