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Originally posted by clay Give me an "F" Give me an "A" Give me an "I" Give me an "L" What does that spell?

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Wait! No, I mean fail.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I think the complaint, where money is concerned in conjunction with the current system, is that you have a lot of artist generating a product, for a few labels, which is sold, earning a great deal of money that is disbursed disproportionately. Turning it into a popularity contest where producers fight for their reputation, while removing a cash incentive, and you have the premise for a pointless reality TV show.

Why pointless? Doing something good for the world is not pointless, by making art you entertain people, and by entertaining people you do something good for the world.

Personally I think that is rewarding enough, I believe the cash incentive got so over-rated that people can't imagine music without money now.

Cash is ruining the EDM scene, besides you said it..the system is mind-raping the artists so much that its kinda inevitable anyways.

I see you guys are discussing something else though, so I'm just going to take a few steps back

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Originally posted by hootsh Why pointless? Doing something good for the world is not pointless, by making art you entertain people, and by entertaining people you do something good for the world. Personally I think that is rewarding enough, I believe the cash incentive got so over-rated that people can't imagine music without money now. Cash is ruining the EDM scene, besides you said it..the system is mind-raping the artists so much that its kinda inevitable anyways. I see you guys are discussing something else though, so I'm just going to take a few steps back

I think it was your phrasing, to the effect of producers competing against one another, in a popularity contest, for relatively little reward. I got a little cheeky with my reply, but my understanding of what you posted indicated you wanted to keep everything in place, except for the money.

"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."

~Hunter S. Thompson

There's not much point to it if you take the money out, leaving the rest of the system, in place.

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Originally posted by kitphillips Dance music is about dance floors - the first sign of the death of a genre is when people sit down to listen to it IMO. Music is there to fulfil a basic human ritual; the dancing/mating/socialising/intoxication ritual that you see in every culture since the dawn of time.

Kit, of course dance music is not just for dance floors.

People dance / move wherever they feel the urge, be that the campfire or the driving seat. I've had some of my most intense dance music experiences in a car, or indeed sitting in my office.

Your argument is akin to those that say I should not enjoy egg fried rice for breakfast, but I damned well do.

Forgive the punn but people in any sphere of Human endeavour get oh so tribal and protective and ALWAYS think the new scene is worse than the old, as I will explain.

Reading these threads is EXACTLY like reading back on arguments people had in the early 60's when some argued rock music was dying, and then exactly like those that said early 70's proggy stuff had killed off rock (again), rinse and repeat ad - infinitum.
Go back to 1955 and the old guard were saying this new rock sound was a betrayal of classic blues and other scenes.

Artists have always always said the recording and distribution industry is making things worse - god I've seen so many documentaries showing exactly this - artists bemoaning the indusrty and where it is going, all the way back to the 1950's. Right now some of you are merely repeating this age old pattern of bemoaning a current scene, yet right now teenagers will be being brain imprinted to the effect the CURRENT scene will be seen as best of breed by them in 15 years time.

Every decade people within a genre say the music business has killed off all things good. Punk was revilled by prog rockers, then after a few years those in punk said the scene was not what it was, yet go forward 10 years and people look back fondly to the exact same period saying how much better it was than 'now', rinse / repeat / rinse / repeat.

In 20m years a proportion of people in EDM will be saying the scene is worse than it was 10 / 15 years before, rinse repeat, rinse repeat.

People tend to think new ways of doing things are often worse than old ways, but really they are just pawns of Darwinian survival imperatives - organisms tend to stick with what they first found to work and resist change. Thier brains at impressionable moments of development are branded with immovable imprints which become the bedrock of thier world view, hence why often we look back to our teens as a time when music and films were better - in our teens there are key moements when our brains are briefly open to those searing new imprints. At those moments the current scene will be imprinted as good, EVEN THOUGH OLDER FOLK WILL BE SAYING THAT SCENE WAS BETTER 10 YEARS AGO, rinse repeat.

I could take you to many a forum right now whether it be martial arts or painting and guess what, you will see people bemoaning the new scene, and longingly looking back to the great years of a decade ago.


DJ's have not killed the scene, apparantly good and bad things are always happening. Don't you see that in 15 years some will hark back to the golden age of 2011? THEY REALLY HONESTLY WILL - so can you not see this is just a Human construct, a fantom not to be taken too seriuosly. Every generation will always and forever have it's people that say the scene of 'now' is worse that the scene of 10 years ago - tis Human nature.

Go back and read Victorian newspapers - people saying things have gotten worse in EVERY sphere of Human endeavour at one time or another.

I RECALL SO MANY MUSCISCIANS IN THE 1980'S SAYING THE INDUSTRY WAS GETTING MUCH WORSE DUE TO NEW FANGLED ELECTRONIC INSTRUMENTS - INDEED THEY WERE CAMPAIGN GROUPS AGAINST THE SYNTH - again people just fear the new ways.

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Yeah but you're missing the point that rock DID die. It's not played on radio any more, very few kids these days listen to it. Its all about dance music now, because that's the music that people dance to That's my point, its the association between the music and the dancing that keeps the music and scene vibrant. Without that, it becomes just more old people sitting around at home nodding their heads to music from the "good old days". I don't have a full explanation of why that is, but it seems to be the case that when people stop dancing to the music, it dies soon after.

Those rock scenes you're talking about DID die, prog rock DID kill off the beatles/stones, it took a while but it happened. That's the nature of music. The strange thing, is that people around here are going down with the ship and sticking to the dying genres, while simultaneously not keeping them alive by going out and dancing to them.

I'm not saying that dance music is dying or bemoaning the new scene as it exists today. I'm saying that music that has lost touch with the dancefloor has died or is dying - cf trance.

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Feel free not to agree with me. I'm just explaining why I think what I think, not really interested in convincing you tbh.

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funny, if rock is dead why does the rock festival i do work for in summer not only sell extremely well, but is attended mostly by younger people. Rock is healthy, like every other genre don't let radio dictate the state of music, because radio has always been a fabrication of what they want you to listen to and not what people are actually listening to.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler I've had some of my most intense dance music experiences in a car, or indeed sitting in my office.

That's funny. We just need an animated gif to go along with the quote for my sig.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.