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The17sss
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quote:
Originally posted by EgosXII
FAO Kevin:

This really deserves its own thread...


Weak bro. A few comments from that dude's piece:


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Have you seen, anywhere, in any media, or even heard reported or repeated on NPR, the following sentence? “We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act.”

It’s right there on Page 4 of the official Standard & Poors “Research Update” – the actual report on what they did and why – published on August 5th as the explanation for why they believe Congress – and even the Gang of Twelve – will be unable to actually deal with the US debt crisis.


Yes, unable to deal with the debt crisis because they ended up doing nothing significant to address the long term debt by ignoring serious cuts; S&P said they needed to see at least $4 trillion in cuts to prevent a downgrade, not that the downgrade happened specifically because taxes weren't raised.

April 18th, from the S&P:
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Standard & Poor's takes no position on the mix of spending and revenue measures the Congress and the Administration might conclude are appropriate. But for any plan to be credible, we believe that it would need to secure support from a cross-section of leaders in both political parties.


Here's the juicy part you left-tards keep pretending never happened. On July 19th the House passed the "Cap, Cut and Balance" act with bipartisan support. It was sent to the Senate where it was tabled. CCB was the ONLY legislation ever introduced in this process that the S&P said would definitely prevent a downgrade. Who killed it? Senate Democrats. This is an indisputable fucking fact that the Left keeps ignoring.



More from your article. This one is interesting...
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In order to figure out that one of the reasons why is that “Republicans in the Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues,” a hard-working reporter would have to read to page four of the eight-page report. It’s just too much effort for most reporters?

I love how this has already been thrown down the memory hole: Boehner and Cantor agreed on July 22nd to allow $800 billion in revenues to be raised by eliminating tax loopholes and making other tweaks in the tax code. Then at the last minute before the meeting was adjourned, Obama demanded that another $400 billion be raised on top of that and blew the deal up. CBS News White House correspondent Mark Knoller confirms this TWICE that day. Google his report if you don't believe me.




And this one blasts another hole in your article's author's stupid argument. Today from S&P:
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The decision by Standard & Poor’s to downgrade the U.S. credit rating to “AA+” at once laments the possibility that cuts to entitlement programs will not materialize and the decreasing likelihood of new tax revenues. But it appears to give more weight to the need for more spending cuts, as it warns that a further credit rating downgrade is in the cards if the U.S. does not trim spending.

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pkcRAISTLIN
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quote:
Originally posted by The17sss
Here's the juicy part you left-tards keep pretending never happened. On July 19th the House passed the "Cap, Cut and Balance" act with bipartisan support. It was sent to the Senate where it was tabled. CCB was the ONLY legislation ever introduced in this process that the S&P said would definitely prevent a downgrade. Who killed it? Senate Democrats. This is an indisputable fucking fact that the Left keeps ignoring.


the GOP were more than happy to let the previous CCB act (whatever that was called) expire once clinton was out of office. im sure you were up in arms about it, lulz.


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EgosXII
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quote:
Originally posted by The17sss
Weak bro. A few comments from that dude's piece:




Yes, unable to deal with the debt crisis because they ended up doing nothing significant to address the long term debt by ignoring serious cuts; S&P said they needed to see at least $4 trillion in cuts to prevent a downgrade, not that the downgrade happened specifically because taxes weren't raised.

April 18th, from the S&P:


Here's the juicy part you left-tards keep pretending never happened. On July 19th the House passed the "Cap, Cut and Balance" act with bipartisan support. It was sent to the Senate where it was tabled. CCB was the ONLY legislation ever introduced in this process that the S&P said would definitely prevent a downgrade. Who killed it? Senate Democrats. This is an indisputable fucking fact that the Left keeps ignoring.



More from your article. This one is interesting...

I love how this has already been thrown down the memory hole: Boehner and Cantor agreed on July 22nd to allow $800 billion in revenues to be raised by eliminating tax loopholes and making other tweaks in the tax code. Then at the last minute before the meeting was adjourned, Obama demanded that another $400 billion be raised on top of that and blew the deal up. CBS News White House correspondent Mark Knoller confirms this TWICE that day. Google his report if you don't believe me.




And this one blasts another hole in your article's author's stupid argument. Today from S&P:


Way to prove my point


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Zyklon_Jay
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Registered: Oct 2010
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About 10 years ago, the American conservative magazine National Review ran an issue whose cover featured some Mounties with the word "WIMPS" printed across the page. The cover and the accompanying article by Jonah Goldberg, "Bomb Canada: The Case for War," was a semi-satirical attack piece, taking Canada to task for its perceived anti-Americanism and lack of contribution on the world stage.

Making fun of Canada has long been a U.S. national pastime. Recall the contest held by Michael Kinsley, then editor of the New Republic, to find the world's most boring headline. The winner? "Worthwhile Canadian Initiative." As recently as 2006, Goldberg, writing again about Canada, called us "arguably the most deluded" industrialized nation in the world" because "elite Canadians" think "being different than the U.S. and sucking up to the United Nations will buy them grace on the cheap."

Today, no one is laughing at the Great White North - especially Americans - and certainly no one would accuse the Harper government of kowtowing to the UN.


As economic confidence south of the border plunges to a 15-year low and the debt-ceiling fiasco edges toward catastrophe, many U.S. experts are praising Canada as an attractive low-tax environment and a beacon for sound fiscal policy and good governance. The opportunities before us are immense - and the last to take note, as usual, are Canadians themselves. This week, for example, Canadian business titan Peter Munk said that Canada now has the same opportunity to do with the mining sector what Britain did with the financial sector at the turn of the last century - that is, to become its global centre.

What's most surprising about all the plaudits is that much of them are coming from the heretofore most critical corners - particularly from U.S. conservatives.

Fred Barnes, editor of the Weekly Standard, recently took to the pages of the Wall Street Journal to argue that the government of Jean Chrétien set the example on how to right an economically failing ship: cut government spending and do not raise taxes. As Barnes noted, between 1995 and 1998 Canada turned a $36.6-billion deficit into a $3-billion surplus.

(The Wall Street Journal was a fitting avenue for the article; in 1995 that newspaper ran an editorial suggesting that Canada was close to bankruptcy. Many credit the attention the editorial received for jolting Chrétien and then-finance minister Paul Martin into action.)

Meanwhile, a surprising new article in Maclean's notes that Canada is emerging as the go-to destination for the world's wealthy. Tax specialists apparently now refer to Canada as the "Great White tax haven" and the "Switzerland of the North." The inflow of high-net-worth individuals to our country (last year, 12,000 people moved here under a special immigration program for the wealthy) is giving Canada a net economic boost of roughly $2-billion a year - and the trend is likely to continue.

The U.S. conservative movement is also looking to the Harper Conservatives for ideas. A consensus has emerged in the U.S. that Canada handled the 2008-2010 economic crisis better than any other western country, and conservatives there have been particularly impressed with the Harper government's campaign strategies of microtargeting defined blocs of voters to broaden its support.

At the moment, everything from our immigration laws to the GST is being praised by Americans as examples of good public policy.

A quick pat on the back is more than deserved, and we should give credit to our successive national governments for the sound economic policies that have led us to this place. But we shouldn't get caught up in self-congratulation either.

It wasn't that long ago that we were battling the brain drain (which has now effectively reversed direction) and paying $1.45 to buy a U.S. dollar.

Canada seems to perform well when the global economy doesn't. Europe and the U.S. are in the gutter, but we are holding our own. When things are going well elsewhere, Canada is perceived as an overregulator, and to a great extent that perception is true.

Canada-enviers ought to tread carefully. They should look to Canada as a model in terms of outcome, not of process. In the past we have too often drifted into over-regulation of the economy. With the continuing emergence of the dynamic and risk-prone economies of the group known as BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India, China), this is not the time to take the safe route by turning to increased red tape, particularly in the U.S.

We obviously have many challenges ahead of us, but let this international admiration remind us that things in Canada are going extremely well - though we have to work hard to hold on to our status as an enviable economy. That status is, for lack of a better term, worth something.

Adam Daifallah is a partner at Hatley Strategies, a montreal public-affairs firm,and a lecturer at McGill University's Department of North American Studies

Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news...l#ixzz1UR9KP8gh


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quote:
Originally posted by Mise
"We will do anything to maintain the status quo and keep our "donators" in power along with the companies they own, in a facade to keep half of you employed while they rob from all of you. thank you, Don't panic!"



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quote:
Originally posted by The17sss
Uh oh. This just in:


http://www.politico.com/news/storie...l#ixzz1UIySO373


I saw that coming from a mile away. What is interesting, day after the US lost its AAA credit, there was an article blaming a Canadian at S&P

I wonder how fucked up the market would be if the US got downgraded to like A.

quote:
Australia AAA
Austria AAA
Canada AAA
Denmark AAA
Finland AAA
France AAA
Germany AAA
Guernsey AAA
Hong Kong AAA
Isle of Man AAA
Liechtenstein AAA
Luxembourg AAA
Netherlands AAA
Norway AAA
Singapore AAA
Sweden AAA
Swiss Confederation AAA
United Kingdom AAA

United States AA+

Abu Dhabi AA
Belgium AA
Bermuda AA
China AA
Japan AA
Kuwait AA
New Zealand AA
Qatar AA
Saudi Arabia AA
Slovenia AA
Spain AA
Taiwan AA

Andorra A
Aruba A
Botswana A
Chile A
Czech Republic A
Emirate of Ras Al Khaimah A
Estonia A
Israel A
Italy A
Korea, South A
Malaysia A
Malta A
Oman A
Slovakia A

Poland A-


One thing, I have a feeling a lot of people that have Bank of America shares are having heart attacks right now. The stock is down over 13% the last time I checked. The company lost C$11B so far.

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GoSpeedGo!
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quote:
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One thing, I have a feeling a lot of people that have Bank of America shares are having heart attacks right now. The stock is down over 13% the last time I checked. The company lost C$11B so far.


Should be 22% by now?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/here-...cy-contemplated


Also, I hope PKC still thinks Ben managed to save the world economy. Time for another QE? LOL.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
the GOP were more than happy to let the previous CCB act (whatever that was called) expire once clinton was out of office. im sure you were up in arms about it, lulz.


But there was no tea party wing of the GOP back then, and the tea-party politicians were elected on the basis of literally one issue, cutting government spending. Back then there were only neo-cons, who don't want to cut anything besides Planned Parenthood and NPR.


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Zharen
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Wall Street had its worst day since the 2008 financial crisis, as fearful investors reacted to the United States losing its coveted AAA credit rating.

All three major U.S. stock indexes sank between 5% and 7%, pushing the Dow below 11,000 for the first time since last November.

U.S. stocks have fallen 15% during the past two weeks.

Though observers said S&P's downgrade shouldn't matter all that much, the market wasn't buying it.

"Investors are having one reaction to the downgrade: sell first and ask questions later," said Paul Zemsky, head of asset allocation with ING Investment Management.

Even if investors dismissed the downgrade, they'd still have to contend with the European debt crisis and rising fears of a new U.S. recession.

Those are the factors that led to a drop of more than 6% last week, the worst since the financial crisis of 2008.

The Dow Jones industrial average (INDU) sank 635 points, or 5.6%, to 10,810.

The S&P 500 (SPX) lost 80 points, or 6.7%, to 1,120.

And the Nasdaq Composite (COMP) dropped 175 points, or 6.9%, to 2,358.

The sell-off was worse than the 512-point drop stocks experienced only three trading sessions ago.

Few companies were spared. All members of the Dow 30 and all members of the S&P 500 traded lower.

Financial stocks were among the hardest hit, with Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500) plunging 20%, and Citigroup (C, Fortune 500) and Morgan Stanley (MS, Fortune 500) dropped roughly 15%.

The VIX (VIX) -- Wall Street's so-called "fear' index -- jumped 44% to 45.98, the highest level since early 2009.


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pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by GoSpeedGo!
Also, I hope PKC still thinks Ben managed to save the world economy.


I quizzed you on your opinions back then, and like the uninformed faggot you are, you turned tail and ran.

Ben did save the world economy, and particularly the US, from imploding. Nobody said politicians couldn’t fuck that up though Einstein.

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Time for another QE? LOL.


These issues have nothing to do with liquidity or credit crunches so your retarded comment is way off base.


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