Spad you seem like a very logical and mature person, not like some others in here that get pissed with the smallest of things.

pls understand that I am not trying to convice anyone that drugs are bad nor do I believe that people who take drugs are bad people, all I wanted was to be enlightened on the subject of drugs and not to fight with others.

well maybe if you went about asking the question in a different manner next time you wont cause a massive flame war

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Originally posted by P`zazz Spad you seem like a very logical and mature person, not like some others in here that get pissed with the smallest of things. pls understand that I am not trying to convice anyone that drugs are bad nor do I believe that people who take drugs are bad people, all I wanted was to be enlightened on the subject of drugs and not to fight with others.

I'll bet you there are more fights in smaller clubs where people mainly drink, than in superclubs where drugs are present in high amount.

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Originally posted by mos man well maybe if you went about asking the question in a different manner next time you wont cause a massive flame war

I guess

I would personally like to thank all involved for not using "trance is my drug". I think this shows tremendous growth for the forums and a huge step forward in drug debates. Well done


Slylee: The post below

will allow you to disembark your high horse and keep it safe whilst contributing to this thread. However the fact I once heard you blame somebody else for getting you into drugs shows how ignorant your views on the subject really are.

Albeit being really interested and entertained by this debate

I would like to solely take a stand in the name of smoking Cigarettes.
This is to answer your question to why I do it. I was very VERY anti-drugs,(as in no drinking/smoking) as a typical American, until about 18.

1) I started out smoking cloves(a type of herbal cigarette, very strong taste, and very bad for you), and every single one i've had has given me such a fantastic high.
2)I love every minute of smoking! I know, this is a terrible habit,but I don't regret it. Now I smoke about 1 cig./day, and I absolutely love it. Like Spad said about weed, it really adds to my relaxation time. I prefer to do it on my own rather that other people, because it's a time for reflection. I often go for weeks without smoking, and don't feel agitated for a second.
3)I DO IT CUZ I LOVE IT! Simple as that. It;s funny, I don't really know a lot of people that enjoy the buzz, that feeling of sinking into the ground. But as someone with way too much energy 24/7 it's a nice addition to my evening.
4) It's annoying to have people tell me it's bad for me everyday, as if I don't know. The reason people are annoyed when you tell them how bad what their doing to their body is either a)they know much more than you do about just how bad it is or b)they feel guilty. I know I feel a bit of both.

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Originally posted by Eu4ea_18 Albeit being really interested and entertained by this debate I would like to solely take a stand in the name of smoking Cigarettes. This is to answer your question to why I do it. I was very VERY anti-drugs,(as in no drinking/smoking) as a typical American, until about 18. 1) I started out smoking cloves(a type of herbal cigarette, very strong taste, and very bad for you), and every single one i've had has given me such a fantastic high. 2)I love every minute of smoking! I know, this is a terrible habit,but I don't regret it. Now I smoke about 1 cig./day, and I absolutely love it. Like Spad said about weed, it really adds to my relaxation time. I prefer to do it on my own rather that other people, because it's a time for reflection. I often go for weeks without smoking, and don't feel agitated for a second. 3)I DO IT CUZ I LOVE IT! Simple as that. It;s funny, I don't really know a lot of people that enjoy the buzz, that feeling of sinking into the ground. But as someone with way too much energy 24/7 it's a nice addition to my evening. 4) It's annoying to have people tell me it's bad for me everyday, as if I don't know. The reason people are annoyed when you tell them how bad what their doing to their body is either a)they know much more than you do about just how bad it is or b)they feel guilty. I know I feel a bit of both.

sounds like me about a year ago^^

for the last couple months i have not, on purpose, touched tobacco.

i only realized recently that i had basically been smoking for almost 5 yrs. not 'packs a day' and i never bought packs of cigarettes on any regular basis. but due to those i hung out with, etc, i would usually have access to at least 1 cig per month. that was the low, but the number could jump up to 10 in a night if i was partying or something (ie drunk and not caring). i never really noticed effects of the nicotine until recently. in fact, it was in Sweden last spr break when i noticed i actually 'wanted' a cigarette to help my 'stress'.

the reason ive stopped is not because it didnt buzz me, or a good conversation starter (:rolleyes and not just health...but i always thot i was better than the drug somehow. that i could keep smoking a drug more addictive than heroin and have it not be a problem. now tho, i look at peopel like my cous that have smoked often and for longer than i and i already see what it does to you. you stop enjoying the cigarette time cause you need it...it becomes a hassle. and i wouldnt even want to think about how much money it costs to get a pack of cigs every 2 days or more regularly.

im not discounting your personal feelings euphoria...i just wanted to say that. i feel the small feeling you get of satisfaction isnt worth the proven risks. thats why when people start ranting about drugs i get worried, cause they think that certain things are excluded. cigs and booze are possibly the 2 worst drugs, but people dont care (govt).

oh and werd to Spad for saying everything i think we all wanted to say in a more concise, clear manner. peas|

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HEy P'zaz NIce thred, My comment is addressing society and its impact of infulence on ones opinion. I was wondering if u considered if your opinion is more or less your own. And not simply a combo of influence of people in your life and tha media ( by media i mean all u hear in tha news and tv about the negative side of drugs. ) I just got the impresion that u were pointing fingers tha same way that uneducated ignorant people often seem too. For instance u give many bad points about smoking especialy but only one positive. U say drugs are bad and they have bad side effects but u only state that people have a good time of them. I am by no means implying that u are ignorant or uneducated in any way. I just was wondering what u might think about that statement. I bring this up as i have seen many people ( including myself) declare many things bad or pointless when many judgements were formed on distorted info in one way or another. Aside from that its my personal opinion that many drugs are good in MODERATION. And that balance is tha key to having a good time.

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This is a very good topic, or at least what it has turned into...

I just read the first page and noticed there were 3 more ! yikes! so I just skipped them all and will post my views.

If you're all talking about santa claus or something now, instead of drugs, then I hope this will put you back on track.

Anyway, P'zazz, I believe that the problem is that each "side" firmly believes that they are "better" than the other.

That is all.

There's nothing else to this problem other than that. If you see someone reading book A, and that person sees that you're reading book B, are you going to start fighting over it? "My book is better than yours!" Of course not!

Why?

Because you do not consider yourself "better" than the other just because you have book A and they have book B.

With drugs, however, it's a different issue. Those that use drugs say "oh you don't know anything, you haven't tried it what would you know so stfu", while the other side simply says, "drugs are bad."

The first side is WRONG in trying to impose a false sense of superiority over the other. The second side is WRONG because they have just mindlessly conformed to the standard government/media sterotype that "drugs are bad."

The first side has to deflate their egos. The second side has to educate themselves. And therein lies the solution!

Actually there is another solution - realize that what everyone does is their choice, and that we are all human. We are all the same! If you stop imposing yourself upon others, useless arguments like "I do drugs so I am better" or "I don't do drugs so I am better" are utterly pointless, because there is no possible way to be "better" over someone else. That's just nature.

I do drugs because they make me big AND clever.

Oh, and trance is my religeon too, yea.



Why do i take drugs? I guess I enjoy the man-made-chemical induced release of chemicals in my brain. It's all about the experience you have when you are on them. When i was younger I used to be anti- everything; but I am glad that I opened my mind to newer experiences and I have thoroughly enjoyed the consequences. There are pros and cons to a lot of things in life : it's up to you to weigh them up yourself. I'm thankful that we have evolved to the point that our species can make drugs that generate such experiences, as they have forever changed my outlook in life: in a positive way.

I have smoked at least 1 joint a day for the past four or five years (with the exception of a self-enforced 4 month break from all substances and the odd other day) because I enjoy it. I smoke cigs from time to time, and I also drink. When i feel ill (or whateva) i bosh some prescription medication. With the exception of weed (nature's greatest creation ) i haven't consumed any illegal substances in 6 months. There was no bad personal experience that caused me to stop, i just felt like it. I'll probably do them again when i stop smokin weed. Who knows ? who cares? I know a lot of the risks from 'abusing' my body in various ways. But my mind & soul are happy - I don't know what the future will bring. Maybe i'll get parkinson's or lung cancer, or maybe i'll get shot by the next serial killer, or maybe i'll find the cure for cancer (my bet's on this one).

I've been playing the game of life for a while, and i think that sometimes it's good to play the joker to liven things up a little

Anyway, my point is: live & let live . As long as you're happy in what you do and the decisions/judgements that you make and these don't affect other people in a negative manner, thats the most important thing.

Last edited by dhaz on Dec-14-2002 at 03:47