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Originally posted by sifntj0r well if the anti-war protesters can play the ignorance game why can't us poor pro-war ppl? statement 1 on the most watched morning news/current affairs show: protester: "the fact that 500,000 australians marched in protest shows that the majority of australians dont support a war against iraq" since when does 1/40th of the population represent a majority? ahhh i got plenty up me sleeve

Well. Look at the Australian population. If 500,000 out of lets say 14 million people is quite alot. So, there's 500,000 people that were willing to go out and protest. Also, count on the people that also stayed home and are also against war. Compared to like lets say 1,000 people, so there for sure not that many people in australia would be against war. Its all PROBABILITIES . :-)

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our population is closer to 20 million

the problem with the anti war protests, especially those that took place here, is that they were basically very offensive towards the US and AUS governments.

yes it's fine to protest etc., but i found the banner slogans very offensive. speaking of banner slogans, not one of them gave alternatives to war. basically, it was just a massive hate rally against the various governments and personal attacks on their leaders.

maybe i'm not anti anti-war, i think i'm just currently anti anti-war protesters.

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ok, back to the original topic of the protesters. please watch the following:
http://www.brain-terminal.com/artic...ce-protest.html
those are the kind of people that personally irritate me, as someone said here at least know why you stand for...
im glad at least some (maybe most) of the members on this board can intellegently answer the questions...

feel free to laugh along the way, i did

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ok, time to express my opinion. for a start, put me in the antiwar faction. in a nutshell:

saddam is a c***. he has to be removed. full stop.

BUT

bush is no better. he's a fascist, ignorant little man in the pockets of the oil industry and other shady characters, bent on furthering their agenda, and f*** the rest. he's just as dangerous, if not more, than saddam, because he's the most powerful man in the world, and is incapable of looking in any other direction other than backwards.

so i'm not against the removal of saddam, by force if necessary, but not by bush and his posse. the thought of that lot sitting on all that oil makes me shudder

IZZY: yes, i said bush is ignorant. how can u say otherwise? everytime he opens his mouth he proves it, and i worry for whoever doesn't realise the bloomers he makes. nothing personal, it's just that it seemed to me to be the only issue in the matter nobody could possibly debate...

MAKE TEA NOT WAR

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CHILDREEN OF MASS MEDIA LISTEN UP!

This goes beyond BUSH,THE USA,Iraq, Iran, Sadam, terrorism and most other buzz words designed to throw u off thru the ancient art of mass misinformation. Minus TWO.
and they are OIL AND New World Gov

Oil is A non-renewable energy source, and what required a billion years to create 3.2 trillion barrels of useable oil has taken 110 years to reduce to 1.8 trillion barrels. The planet's oil supply is its economic lifeblood. As this diminishes, so does the economic system in which the world's people live. As the economic conditions erode, instability arises, and if left unchecked, chaos ensues.

GUESS WHAT WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE EAST FOR GUYZ!(PUTTING THE NWO ASIDE)
UNTIL WE CHANGE OVER TO SOME OTHER FORM OF POWER OIL IS THE ONLY MAJOR ONE. NOW GUESS WHAT MAJOR WORLD POWERS DO TO MAJOR WORLD SOURCES OF POWER THAT ARE DWINDELING????? THEY CONTROLL THEM FOR ALL THE RIGHT REASONS.

NOTE: people have said that in anywhere from 25 to 80 years thers going to be no more oil for earth at reasonable prices. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR AMERICA AND EUROPE? THE MOST ENGERY/POWER HUNGRY NATIONS WHO CREATE MOST OF THE WORLDS GARBAGE????.

WE GO WHERE THE OIL IS UNTIL WE CAN USE SOMETHING ELSE.

Of course there will be more pressure to create a world government in the future that isn't the joke that the UN is now. However sustaining our way of life comes first on the list. This has little to do with JUST America and Bush and more to do with the democratic nations as a whole. America is used as a military force as it has a large patriotic population who will support wars with a drone like mentality when attacked and has the mass media play on there heart strings. That is there role in the democratic world. That is what this comes down to. Its painfully simple and very easy to throw in allot of smoke and mirrors into the mix to throw off people who disagree with the plan. This misinformation tactic has been used to subdue the masses for many years and it is working to this day as people take all the little things like turning the united Arab nations into a democratic government overnight seriously. PLEASE GIVE ME A BREAK!! This isn't going to happen over night with a few cruise missiles and an occupation it takes a life time of influence and control from all the major players. So naturally it looks like we don't give a shit about them cuz initially we don't. The change doesn't happen like that were not like brothers here we are like CAPITALISTS we control thru influential, militaristic and economic tactics. THATS THE WAY WE FUNCTION WE PLAY OF EACH OTHER LIKE A WELL NIT SOCIETY OF LEECHES.

Now there are many arguments for not fighting. Pro-life, pro-choice, political parties and there objectionable intentions, lack of evidence for WMD's and links to terrorism, people arguing the possibilities of productive change or the lack of them and so on.

All of these arguments are nothing in defense against the plan of creating a New World Government which i have mentioned above. basically the democratic nations have decided that it is time for a considerable adjustment in the world governments and there lack of unity. This adjustment is to unify all people under one global government. Regardless of how good or bad the mentality of the people maybe suited for such. Why are we doing this?? its very simple. There are very big and potentially devastating events that are happening to the world. To give u an idea, Aids and other illness, over population, WMD's, loss of oil, Change over to a new energy source just to name a few. These things stand in the way of our goals of survival. The only way to deal with these issues in time is to create a Global government which will be able to respond with considerable effort and the efficiency needed to ensure survival.

What does this have to do with good old Sadam Husain !?!?!?!? The Arab states and territories can pose as a considerable road block on this plan if they were to ever get there act together and become allies instead of fighting among each other as they have a large controlled population and enough oil to fuel/fund a decent sized army. Not to mention strangle the supply of it to the rest of the world which is in need. The possibility of them joining the democratic world is slim to none as they hold there traditions/religious government very close. They also have been victim of many colonialist country's attacks/occupations which support there current semi/isolationist mentality. This war might be taken to other countrys as well but I personaly think that even the semi/communist semi/democratic china will switch over with the right social and economic influence which we have been developing for years. Just think about it where does all the labour and tech products come form and why ????

So for the sake of replacing Dictatorships and communist governments with democratic ones to ensure survival FOR EVERYONE and the fact that Everyone wants control over the oil we are going to war and there isnt much u can do the governments dont care about what u think because you haven't been kept up to date with the plan in the first place so your arguing only what u know about and what will happen in the short term to the inocent never considering what's really going on here. REMEMBER WEE COULD ALL END UP DEAD IF WE DONT FORM ONE SOCIETY.

PLEASE FEEL FREE TO RESPOND TO THIS ID LOVE TO HEAR WHAT U GUYS THINK.

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I am very happy to see this. I hope to see larger and more frequent anti-war demonstrations all throughout the US.

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Originally posted by Mental Exodus CHILDREEN OF MASS MEDIA LISTEN UP! This goes beyond BUSH,THE USA,Iraq, Iran, Sadam, terrorism and most other buzz words designed to throw u off thru the ancient art of mass misinformation. Minus TWO. and they are OIL AND New World Gov Oil is A non-renewable energy source, and what required a billion years to create 3.2 trillion barrels of useable oil has taken 110 years to reduce to 1.8 trillion barrels. The planet's oil supply is its economic lifeblood. As this diminishes, so does the economic system in which the world's people live. As the economic conditions erode, instability arises, and if left unchecked, chaos ensues. GUESS WHAT WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE EAST FOR GUYZ!(PUTTING THE NWO ASIDE) UNTIL WE CHANGE OVER TO SOME OTHER FORM OF POWER OIL IS THE ONLY MAJOR ONE. NOW GUESS WHAT MAJOR WORLD POWERS DO TO MAJOR WORLD SOURCES OF POWER THAT ARE DWINDELING????? THEY CONTROLL THEM FOR ALL THE RIGHT REASONS. NOTE: people have said that in anywhere from 25 to 80 years thers going to be no more oil for earth at reasonable prices. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR AMERICA AND EUROPE? THE MOST ENGERY/POWER HUNGRY NATIONS WHO CREATE MOST OF THE WORLDS GARBAGE????. WE GO WHERE THE OIL IS UNTIL WE CAN USE SOMETHING ELSE.

yes. wars these days r fought 4 oil. the next stage will b war 4 water. and little is done to takle the problem at it's roots. the problem is that too much power is in the hads of the oil industry, the small elite that owns it, and the governments who r in their pockets.
now people like bush c oil as an essential part of capitalism. cutting oil usage, he says, is against the interests of america. it would damage industry, the stock-market, and ultimately the whole western way of life.
i disagree. capitalism is built on growth. the expansion of markets, the continuous increase of investment, production and consumption. oil provides much of the energy to achieve this, so removing it, according to those who have little imagination, would undermine the whole system. but oil is a limited resource, and were it truely fundamental to the system that takes infinity as a prerequisite to it's existance, capitalism would b short-lived.

so, the substitution of oil, and this is what many can't see, is fundamental to capitalism. and it's possible.
not only is it possible, it would b a benefit. energy efficiency and new, cleaner sources of energy, new materials and their use have an enourmous economic potential. research, production (or reproduction?)... a whole new industry for capitalism to thrive and grow on. oil could then b used in much better ways: for example with the oil burned in a second in a motorcar u can produce 1000 t-shirts.
a few people would loose some of their wealth: oil tycoons and the odd sheiik, but few people will cry 4 them.
the EU has begun to make it's first tentative steps in this direction, and i strongly encourage them to further these efforts.
this is another reason why bush and his administration are seriously wrong. if europe undertakes this new path with more zeal, it might well return to being the main world-power in 50 years time. some US industries r aware of this, but all efforts r stiffled by an overpowerful oil industry.
oh, and let us not forget the environmental issue. i'll write about when i have a few more minutes

and yes, world unity would b nice. but do u think it at all possible?

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Originally posted by NFA yes. wars these days r fought 4 oil. the next stage will b war 4 water. and little is done to takle the problem at it's roots. the problem is that too much power is in the hads of the oil industry, the small elite that owns it, and the governments who r in their pockets. now people like bush c oil as an essential part of capitalism. cutting oil usage, he says, is against the interests of america. it would damage industry, the stock-market, and ultimately the whole western way of life. i disagree. capitalism is built on growth. the expansion of markets, the continuous increase of investment, production and consumption. oil provides much of the energy to achieve this, so removing it, according to those who have little imagination, would undermine the whole system. but oil is a limited resource, and were it truely fundamental to the system that takes infinity as a prerequisite to it's existance, capitalism would b short-lived. so, the substitution of oil, and this is what many can't see, is fundamental to capitalism. and it's possible. not only is it possible, it would b a benefit. energy efficiency and new, cleaner sources of energy, new materials and their use have an enourmous economic potential. research, production (or reproduction?)... a whole new industry for capitalism to thrive and grow on. oil could then b used in much better ways: for example with the oil burned in a second in a motorcar u can produce 1000 t-shirts. a few people would loose some of their wealth: oil tycoons and the odd sheiik, but few people will cry 4 them. the EU has begun to make it's first tentative steps in this direction, and i strongly encourage them to further these efforts. this is another reason why bush and his administration are seriously wrong. if europe undertakes this new path with more zeal, it might well return to being the main world-power in 50 years time. some US industries r aware of this, but all efforts r stiffled by an overpowerful oil industry. oh, and let us not forget the environmental issue. i'll write about when i have a few more minutes and yes, world unity would b nice. but do u think it at all possible?

As for the world gov thing, people have told me that in about 60 years wee will begin to see the change over to a more global government. For now its all about converting the world to democratic nations with friednly interdependant relations with the rest of the world. This is the hard part.

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