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Az
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Originally posted by occrider
What happened with the IRA? It seems that things were at a crisis in the 90s and nowadays you don't hear anything about it anymore (at least in the US). Did britain make some kind of concessions I don't know about or are the Irish more or less placated?

the original IRA kind of disbanded after the last peace process, like NFA said, many going into drugs trafficking, some actually went to south american states and taught guerilla fighting techniques, others formed the "real IRA", but they haven't committed a proper terrorist attack of note in a fair while.....

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quote:
Originally posted by Az
the original IRA kind of disbanded after the last peace process, like NFA said, many going into drugs trafficking, some actually went to south american states and taught guerilla fighting techniques, others formed the "real IRA", but they haven't committed a proper terrorist attack of note in a fair while.....


So do a lot of Irish still have gripes and detest Britain? I guess what I'm asking is is it safe for a British soldier to be walking around Ireland nowadays?

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well, it's kind of hard to say exactly where the peace process lies.
in a nutshell, northern ireland was promised some autonomy throught the creation of it's own elected assembly, and other concessions included the reform of the RUC (royal ulster constabulary), and a significant reduction in army numbers. in exchange, the ira was to disarm.
the disraming process has been slow at best, and continued violence has brought about a suspension of the northern irland assembly. now things r in a bit of a status quo, with one party demanding to have the assembly back, and the other demanding ira disarmament.
on the whole, though, i think the outlook is positive. now, a majority of people r 4 the peace process and against the ira, though the usual tough guys r making a concerted effort at returning to the old conflict. stll, joe public has realised just how much more peaceful means have achieved.
actually, most of the violence in the past few months has been attributed to infighting in both loyalist and republican factions.


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Az
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Originally posted by occrider
So do a lot of Irish still have gripes and detest Britain? I guess what I'm asking is is it safe for a British soldier to be walking around Ireland nowadays?

it's safer yes
but theres still extremist wankers on both sides......
tbh the UK needs to take the initiative, and give NI back to ireland....

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it's safer yes
but theres still extremist wankers on both sides......
tbh the UK needs to take the initiative, and give NI back to ireland....


but that's the whole problem! few people in the UK give a shit about who NI belongs to, but half the pop of NI don't want to join the irish republic.


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but that's the whole problem! few people in the UK give a shit about who NI belongs to, but half the pop of NI don't want to join the irish republic.

thats why we take the initiative, and get rid....
which seems mean as fuck, but the whole british empire thing is bullshit.....
like the falklands, there is no way in hell they belong to us....
same with Gibraltar...
and seperating part of a country on the basis of a religion that is fundamentally flawed is fucking stupid, and in this day and age we shouldn't have anything to do with it
but I'm a **** so what do I know?

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here is one of the leading articles from today's independent (independent.co.uk), which ironically takes us from the currant topic back to the starting one.

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The conditions are right for a 'big bang' solution in Ulster

04 March 2003

To listen to representatives from the republican and Unionist camps over the years is to be aware that both sides have seen themselves involved in what economists call a zero-sum game, in which advantages gained by one side can only be bought at the cost of a loss of equal magnitude to the other. In fact, as in a successful trade negotiation, both sides could profit if they could build shared institutions to manage their conflict and govern their province without physical violence. This, of course, was the intention of the Good Friday Agreement, which is now nearly five years old, but still only partially implemented.

Yesterday's meetings of all the parties in Belfast to consider a paper put forward by the British and Irish governments was an attempt to abandon the piecemeal approach that achieved much in the first few years following the agreement, but eventually became counterproductive as the Unionists focused on such IRA violations of at least the spirit of the agreement as the arrest of its members in Colombia, the break-in at the Castlereagh police HQ and the spying at Stormont. Meanwhile, republicans argued that they could do no more without Unionist goodwill and more concessions from London on demilitarisation, policing and amnesty for IRA members on the run.

The bickering and dissatisfaction eventually led to a suspension of the Northern Ireland Assembly and its executive, followed by Tony Blair's speech last October when he called on the IRA to make an "act of completion" that would formally mark an end to the war and a commitment to exclusively democratic means in the pursuit of its goal of a united Ireland.

This "big-bang" conclusion is tempting to endorse, particularly as everyone must share the frustration of the people of Ulster with the slow pace of progress. There are reasons for hope, as the republicans must realise that they cannot go on forever with an Armalite in reserve, and the years of working at Stormont have shown even Unionist politicians the value of devolved government, to themselves and their constituents. Finally, success in Northern Ireland can still be an inspiration to resolving long-lasting disputes elsewhere in the world.


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Originally posted by Az
thats why we take the initiative, and get rid....
which seems mean as fuck, but the whole british empire thing is bullshit.....
like the falklands, there is no way in hell they belong to us....
same with Gibraltar...
and seperating part of a country on the basis of a religion that is fundamentally flawed is fucking stupid, and in this day and age we shouldn't have anything to do with it
but I'm a **** so what do I know?


well, i don't know. im far from being imperialist, but imo a land belongs to whome it's people want it to belong to. now, the falklands were uninhabited when they were colonised by us. there has been surprisingly little mixing (socially and physically) over whole centuries, so the population is essentially british. also, as in gibraltar's case, close to 100% believe they r british and want to stay in the union.
irland is a very different situation, as there is a multitude ethnic and social groups.


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