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LKD
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Location: Its June 18th, 2005, I'm at the Skybar
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occrider
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Registered: Oct 2000
Location: New York
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| quote: | Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee
oh and tiesto14...heres a link i want u to check out
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Yoepus said it best with his reply in the political forum:
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forgod's sake Renegade. I have previously held you in very high regard, especially with your insightful post on religion associated human psychology. However, you have seem to be lower yourself at least in my eyes by believing in such propostorous childish arguments.
Let me point it that it is 100% legal (and many would argue moral) to kill Enemy Combatents in time of war, with one exception - if they have surrendered (there are exceptions to that though too!).
As an aspiring political scientist, I happen to know my UN Charter, my Hague and Geneva Conventions, and my Nuremberg.
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Read the article (Section 6):
"The conduct violated the Charter of the United Nations, the Hague and Geneva Conventions, the Nuremberg Charter, and the laws of armed conflict."
Interesting, how in this good earth can the "killing of retreating soliders" be a violation of the UN Charter - A charter which does not even have any reference how wars should be conducted, it has no laws of war. It simpy has reference to when wars are justified (chapter 7).
All three Geneva convetions don't have any reference to the "neutrality" of retreating combatants.
Hague Convention is the "Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict" (http://www.icomos.org/hague/hague.convention.htm) and simpy is how to protect cultural relics and other formalities of conducting warfare.
Nuremberg is equally irrelevant - it simply states who and under what circumstances one can be tried for war crimes (http://www.deoxy.org/wc/wc-nurem.htm).
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Killing those who pose no threat to you - in violation of the laws governing warfare - is not "war", it's murder. Cold-blooded murder.
But what laws governing warfare? Surely not the laws found in Numberg, Hague, Geneva, or the UN charter.
Renegade, you used to be the sharp guy thinking before you believe what someone tells you, why are you blinded all of a sudden without questioning what you are told?
It is obviously a false statement they are making here in section 6, and as occider pointed out even if it is not, where is the evidence?
Please, revert to your old self be critical and critize (not only bush ).
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Mar-21-2003 00:26 
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occrider
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Registered: Oct 2000
Location: New York
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and my own response, for good measure, after wasting 20 minutes reading that thhing 
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Boy this article really had me fooled for a minute. It's got a very offical sounding name and it's a very official looking document but this "International War Crimes Tribunal" is not affiliated with the UN in any way! As a matter of fact it has NO jurisdiction or authoratative powers at all! It's part of an organization called International Action Center. Here's another "tribunal" being set up:
International Action Center - 11 Jun 1999
RAMSEY CLARK ANNOUNCES THE FORMATION OF COMMISSION OF INQUIRY FOR AN INTERNATIONAL WAR CRIMES TRIBUNAL
U.S./NATO WAR CRIMES WILL BE SUBJECT OF COMMISSION OF INQUIRY HEARING IN NEW YORK CITY ON JULY 31, 1999
A Commission of Inquiry for an International War Crimes Tribunal has been initiated by former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark. Mr. Clark is the chairperson of the International Action Center. The Commission of Inquiry will hold hearings to collect eyewitness, direct, and expert testimony, video footage, photographs, documents, and other evidence as part of an investigation into crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, and war crimes committed during the U.S./NATO bombing war against Yugoslavia.
The Commission of Inquiry will include international jurists, human rights activists, trade unionists, medical personnel, environmental experts, rank-and-file soldiers from NATO countries, and people who have been in Yugoslavia during the bombing.
It seems that this guy sets up a tribunal whenever the US or NATO utilizes its troops for anything haha! At any rate "article 6" states that:
6. The United States intentionally bombed and destroyed Iraqi military personnel, used excessive force, killed soldiers seeking to surrender and in disorganized individual flight, often unarmed and far from any combat zones and randomly and wantonly killed Iraqi soldiers and destroyed materiel after the cease fire.
Well where is its proof for all of this? It merely says at the end that "The members of the International War Crimes Tribunal finds each of the named accused Guilty on the basis of the evidence against them and that each of the nineteen crimes alleged in the Initial Complaint, attached hereto, has been established to have been committed beyond a reasonable doubt". What evidence??? I didn't see any ... did any of you?
And Renegrade even you must agree with me that this thing doesn't even remotely bear any impartiality. Hehe just look at the signatories of the "judges"! After their names there's a short snippet outlining each of their accomplishments. All of the signers are associated with anti-war movements!!! I was gonna eat my hat for a second there.
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Mar-21-2003 00:29
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HardTrance81
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Registered: Dec 2002
Location: Charlottesville, VA
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| quote: | Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee
its a pity that people like u exist...practice what u preach...
on this case, ur asking me for proof, show me that u urself have proof of ur accusitions...just because they tell u on the news that saddam is evil, u believe it??
its a known fact taht geroge jr is just trying to finish what his father started 12 years ago. |
WHY IS IT A KNOWN FACT? CAUSE YOU SAY SO? cause YOUR news source told YOU so? I NEVER HEARD BUSH SAY THAT HE WAS FINISHING ANY FAMILY BUSINESS, I THINK HE IS DOING THIS CAUSE SADDAM IS A FUCKING RETARD! saddam is fanatic who doesn't listen.... 12 years to throw away some weapons (that wouldn't work against the U.S.) and he didn't thow the shit out... why? CAUSE HE DIDN'T NEED TO USE THEM ON THE US, HE WANTED TO USE THEM ON HIS OWN PEOPLE!!!!!!! CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A DEFENSE!!!!!! any modern day army could whoop saddams ass blind folded..... Saddam didn't throw those weapons away because Saddam needed the weapons to threaten and intimidate his own people.... you think any one would listen to that fat fuck if he had no way to hurt them? if it wasn't for the gas/weapon leverage there would be riots in the streets.... cause no one is scared of his soldiers... their pussies..... FEAR is how saddam stays in power....
I CAN'T BELEIVE THEY STILL LET YOU POST..... YOUR A FUCKING IDIOT!!!!! hey T14, ask this kid to prove anything... anything... and he will prove nothing he makes it up..., he gets his facts from the sci-fi channel and comedy central... he is full of shit, he says he is from the middle east but couldn't tell you what camel looked like if his life depended on it.... lol the closest this kid has been to the dessert is a fucking sandbox...... he's posted one good thing since i have seen his name floating around here.... and THAT wasn't even good.... he's just posting to go against the grain, he doesn't care......... if every one was against the war and the minority was for the war thats what he would screaming..."save the people of Iraq, some body save them!!!!"
Politics is not a fashion, it's not cool to be invloved, it's not the IN thing to disagree or agree, people like you just love the attention, "oh look help I am being oppressed,just cause my views are diffrent," ....GROW THE FUCK UP, AND READ A BOOK FOR ONCE......TRY HISTORY!
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what i implied by my quoted post is taht i tried to close this useless debate which will achieve nothing and then u posted
