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Originally posted by colonelcrisp its that little fact of the "where to put the 1234123565145612 feet of det cord" that still negates your argument.... although i do recall a martha stewart show where she highlighted some design tips to turn your det cord trunk lines into a "good thing"

Yes because you really know exactly what type of explosives/charges where actually used in taking down the towers.

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Originally posted by culorut Yes because you really know exactly what type of explosives/charges where actually used in taking down the towers.

Yes, I do.

There were NO explosive charges used to bring the towers down.

Unless you consider gravity to be an explosive.



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Originally posted by culorut Yes because you really know exactly what type of explosives/charges where actually used in taking down the towers.

despite what you learn from hollywood movies..... you cant accomplish controlled demo with remote explosives. large shock waves tend to fuck up electronics....... each charge has to detonate at a certain time interval from the previous charge to create the desired effect, these charges are closely spaced and delayed by miliseconds to cause the building to cave inwards. Furthermore, controlled demolition has never been attempted on buildings even close to the size of the twin towers, and if public demolition experts and professionals havent accomplished this yet, what makes you think the US gov could pull it of?.

furthermore, dumbass, it still doesnt adress the fact that no mater how covert your operatives are, its pretty fucking hard to hide thousands of charges in a building full of civilians.....

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, I’d like to know what horrible, scarring incident in your childhood turned you into such an ignorant, intellectual-hating philistine?

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Originally posted by MrSquirrel Yes, I do. There were NO explosive charges used to bring the towers down. Unless you consider gravity to be an explosive. MrS

well newtonian gravity sure is explosive.... einstein blew that theory right out of the water lol

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, I’d like to know what horrible, scarring incident in your childhood turned you into such an ignorant, intellectual-hating philistine?

Well the evidence is there so it means thermate was present. How much of it exactly is not known yet but keep talking shit if you want.


9/11 Debunkers Hide From Slam Dunk Evidence Of Controlled Demolition

Electron microscope analysis of steel spheres from WTC site proves thermate, proves collapse of twin towers was an act of deliberate arson.

Professor Steven Jones presented brand new and compelling evidence for the controlled demolition of the twin towers and WTC 7 recently, but the 9/11 debunkers and the corporate media are loathe to tackle it because it represents a slam dunk on proving the collapse of the buildings was a deliberate act of arson.

During a talk at the Rebuilding America's Senses event at the University of Texas last month, Jones laid out facts about steel samples recovered from the WTC site that Popular Mechanics dare not even attempt to debate. Debunkers are scared to even get near this information because the science behind it fundamentally contradicts the official story of what happened on 9/11.

Jones detailed his lab experiments in which he attempted to replicate NIST's conclusion that the lava like orange material flowing out of the south tower is aluminum from Flight 175, the plane that hit the building. Jones clearly documents the fact that liquid aluminum is silver and not orange as is seen in the video of the south tower, therefore the material cannot be aluminum. Jones then explains that the material is in fact a compound that can cut through steel like a hot knife through butter, thermite with sulphur added to make thermate.


http://www.911blogger.com/node/8808

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Originally posted by culorut Well the evidence is there so it means thermate was present. How much of it exactly is not known yet but keep talking shit if you want. 9/11 Debunkers Hide From Slam Dunk Evidence Of Controlled Demolition Electron microscope analysis of steel spheres from WTC site proves thermate, proves collapse of twin towers was an act of deliberate arson. Professor Steven Jones presented brand new and compelling evidence for the controlled demolition of the twin towers and WTC 7 recently, but the 9/11 debunkers and the corporate media are loathe to tackle it because it represents a slam dunk on proving the collapse of the buildings was a deliberate act of arson. During a talk at the Rebuilding America's Senses event at the University of Texas last month, Jones laid out facts about steel samples recovered from the WTC site that Popular Mechanics dare not even attempt to debate. Debunkers are scared to even get near this information because the science behind it fundamentally contradicts the official story of what happened on 9/11. Jones detailed his lab experiments in which he attempted to replicate NIST's conclusion that the lava like orange material flowing out of the south tower is aluminum from Flight 175, the plane that hit the building. Jones clearly documents the fact that liquid aluminum is silver and not orange as is seen in the video of the south tower, therefore the material cannot be aluminum. Jones then explains that the material is in fact a compound that can cut through steel like a hot knife through butter, thermite with sulphur added to make thermate. http://www.911blogger.com/node/8808

well allow me to retort.....

steven jones' staggering credentials (does the phrase "cold fusion scandal" ring a bell?) and the fact that he lost his professorship due to his crack pot ideas pretty much casts out any scientific merrit his theories or proof displays... but lets look at this further....

thermite is a mixture of iron oxide (rust), which steel structures have plenty of, and aluminum which an office building has loads of to begin with let alone the fact taht you had a 727 parked on one of the floors.... so those two components mixed together make thermite... the only concievable way to prove the presence of a thermate reaction is to identify the trace elements of the catalysts... barium nitrate and sulphur. both of which are relatively widely used chemicals, barium nitrate in electronics and sulphur in a whole manner of things, one of which being natural gas to give it an identifiable odour.

and according to your sleuth like google abilities... steven jones debunked all rational explinations by melting a piece of aluminum in the lab and declaring "my god it is white when it melts". well color of liquid metals depends on their temperature and the impurities present. so without testing actual samples... you will never know what it was. Secondly, his rational that thermate was present is stated merely by the fact taht the liquid metal was orange. yet again another example of irrefutable proof by steven jones.

Furthermore, steven jones, the grandfather of coldfusion (snicker....), has yet to explain how the thermite was able to cut columns........ thermite burns through metal due to gravity, its not like your daddys chainsaw.... in order to have it cut sideways you would have to turn gravity sideways.... beyond that fact, thermite doesnt cut through 1 inch steel very quickly... it would take alot of thermite a long time.

the liquid metal found at ground zero after the colapse is most likely, and infact undoubtedly the byproduct of thermal oxygen cutting of columns and beams by the clean up crews. basically in laymens terms, when you thermaly oxy cut steel it produces liquid iron as a byproduct. essentially its super rapid oxidation. anyways. thermate / thermite is a dead moot issue... please pick the next obscure and random theory for me to test......




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thermal oxy cutting is not the same as oxy acetylene cutting. they are two very different techniques based on completely different theories...

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Originally posted by culorut Well the evidence is there so it means thermate was present. How much of it exactly is not known yet but keep talking shit if you want. 9/11 Debunkers Hide From Slam Dunk Evidence Of Controlled Demolition Electron microscope analysis of steel spheres from WTC site proves thermate, proves collapse of twin towers was an act of deliberate arson. Professor Steven Jones presented brand new and compelling evidence for the controlled demolition of the twin towers and WTC 7 recently, but the 9/11 debunkers and the corporate media are loathe to tackle it because it represents a slam dunk on proving the collapse of the buildings was a deliberate act of arson. During a talk at the Rebuilding America's Senses event at the University of Texas last month, Jones laid out facts about steel samples recovered from the WTC site that Popular Mechanics dare not even attempt to debate. Debunkers are scared to even get near this information because the science behind it fundamentally contradicts the official story of what happened on 9/11. Jones detailed his lab experiments in which he attempted to replicate NIST's conclusion that the lava like orange material flowing out of the south tower is aluminum from Flight 175, the plane that hit the building. Jones clearly documents the fact that liquid aluminum is silver and not orange as is seen in the video of the south tower, therefore the material cannot be aluminum. Jones then explains that the material is in fact a compound that can cut through steel like a hot knife through butter, thermite with sulphur added to make thermate. http://www.911blogger.com/node/8808

hahahaha. New? this news is very very old. and no, jones found no evidence of thermite. he found evidence of sulfur, which would have been present anyway. also, as colonel has noted, thermite isn't really capable of cutting steel columns in the way CTers believe.

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Alex Jones, professional conspiracy theorist radio host, has said Jones found evidence of thermite. This isn't true. What Jones found was something which would have been in the debris pile anyway. Sulfur... WTC thermite sulfur In Steven Jones' PDF "Answers to Objections and Questions", to support his claim for Sol-gels/Thermite he states: "One molecule, described by the EPA's Erik Swartz, was present at levels "that dwarfed all others": 1,3-diphenylpropane. "We've never observed it in any sampling we've ever done," However when you look at the link he uses http://www.newsday.com/news/health/...age-right-area You find out Mr. Jones edits out the VERY next line which states "He said it was most likely produced by the plastic of tens of thousands of burning computers." Apparently, Jones felt this was not important enough for his readers to know.

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jones' analyses are a complete joke and no one in their right mind would/could use thermite to bring down a building like the WTCs. and i am still waiting for a credible argument of how thousands of tonnes of thermite was hidden, how thermite could possibly be used to cut steel columns in such a reliable and predictable way to be suitable for demolitions, and why on earth cretinrot is ignoring all of colonelcrisp's expertise and (once again) dodging the issue?

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Originally posted by culorut Professor Graeme MacQueen of McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. As straight forward as it gets. Common sense is all that is needed.

go smoke some more pot guys and it will allllll keep making sense...

last time i checked the association of professional engineers of ontario didnt license professors of RELIGIOUS STUDIES as qualified structural engineers...... thats like asking a catholic priest to debunk evolution.....

when are you CT'ers going to come up with some credible sources?


so far we have seen:

-crackpots who claimed to have discovered cold fusion
-religious studies professors from mcmaster
-fucking janitors.......
-youtube - the mother of all sources......

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when are you CT'ers going to come up with some credible sources?

I'm sorry what where you saying? Feel free to scroll down to the "Engineers" section in the second of my next two posts.


Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

Architects
(Degreed & Licensed)

Richard Gage, AIA, Architect
Walnut Creek, CA

Don Gibbons, Architect
Pleasant Hill, CA

Jeff Arnold, Architect
Orinda, CA

John Cole, Architect
Walnut Creek, CA

David Crawford, Architect
Walnut Creek, CA

Haluk Akol, Architect & Structural Engineer
Lafayette, CA

John Eisenhart, Architect
San Diego, CA

Joe Bellows, Architect
Martinez, CA

John Howland, Architect
Walnut Creek, CA

Eric Douglas, Architect
Howard Beach, NY

Peter Hendrickson, Architect
Santa Rosa, CA

Osvaldo Valdes, Architect
New York, NY

Lily Livingston, AIA, Architect
Oakland, CA

Chris Swigert, Architect
Oakland, CA

Jim Bedinghaus, Architect
St. Petersburg, Florida

Christian Mungenast AIA, Architect
Arlington, MA

Mickey Propadovich, Architect
Evanston, Illinois

Michael C. Coffey, AIA, Architect
New York, NY

Dennis Holloway, Architect, Architect
Rio Rancho, NM

Michael E. Balay, Architect
Fishers, Indiana

Ronald F. Avery, Architect
Seguin, Texas

Bruce Richey, AIA, Architect
Ashland, Oregon


Architectural Professionals
(Degreed)

Scott Page, M. Arch / Designer
Berkeley, CA

Jeffrey Tam, Architectural Professional
Oakland, CA

Oscar Cisnero, Architectural Professional
Antioch, CA

Elwin Wong, Architectural Professional
Oakland, CA

Henri Tso, Architectural Professional
Walnut Creek, CA

Arthur Stopes, Planner
Berkeley, CA

Ken Huthcinson, Architectural Professional
Eugene, OR

Jan Leits, Architectural Professional
Berkeley, CA

Michael Reuter, Architectural Professional
Berkeley, CA

Chris Jung, Architectural Professional
Berkeley, CA

Tim Clark, Architectural Professional
Albany, CA

Jason Wilkinson, Architectural Professional
Berkeley, CA

Wendy Sitler, Designer
Berkeley, CA

Dominique Roddier, phD, Naval Architect
Berkeley, CA

Karlene Gullone, Architectural Professional
San Francisco, CA

Dave Heller, Architectural Professional
Berkeley, CA

Kurt Worthington, Urban Planner
San Francisco, CA

Travis Van Brasch, Associate AIA, Design Principal
San Francisco, CA

Arnold A. Valdez M.Arch, Designer/Planner
Santa Fe, New Mexico

Justin Feider, Intern Architect
Denver, Colorado

Alan S. Glassman, M. Arch., Associate AIA, CSI, SA, Architectural Research Consultant
Lancaster, Pennsylvania

Am Amnusydcjkorn, Designer
Berkeley, CA

Engineers
(Degreed & Licensed)

J. Marx Ayres, PE, Mechanical Engineer
Santa Monica, CA

Robert Nielson, PLS, Land Surveyor
Walnut Creek, CA

John F. Shanahan, PE, Electrical Engineer
Rancho Cucamonga, CA

Joseph Testa, P.E., Civil Engineer
Thousand Oaks, CA

Nazareth "Blue" Lansing, Engineer
Houston, TX

Dr. Michael Voschine, PhD., Structural Engineer
Miami, Florida

John Franklin, P.E.
Lubec, ME

Peter Gibbons P.E., Professional Engineer
Mccausland,, Iowa

Mr. Cameron Porter PHD, Mechanical Engineer
Boston, Massachusetts

Peter D. Morse, P.E., Mechanical Engineer
Tucson, Arizona

Tim Rohach P.E., Mechanical Engineer MSME
Sugar Land, Texas

Barry K. Miller, P.E., Mechanical Engineer
Hinsdale, NY

Charles N. Pegelow, PE, Civil Engineer. lic Calif CE 26344 (Structural)
Houston, Texas

Ron Paul LeBlanc, PE, Engineer
Firestone, CO

Dennis J. Kollar, P.E., Structural Engineer
West Bend, WI


Engineering Professionals
(Degreed)

Gregg Brazel, BSCNE, Constr. Engr'g
Evanston, IL

Ted Muga, BSCE, Civil Engineer
San Diego, CA

Ken Kious, Electrical Engineer
Walnut Creek, CA

Kevin Ryan, BS Chem., Certified Quality Engineer
Bloomington, IN

Ken Jenkins, BS Carnegie Mellon, Electrical Engineer
San Rafael, CA

John Shinn, phD., Chemical Engineer
Pleasant Hill, CA

John Rexroat, Mfr. Engineer
Walnut Creek, CA

Anthony Szamboti, BSME, Mechanical Engineering
Blackwood, NJ

Jason Griffin, BS, Civil Engineer
Washington Dc,

Jay Easwaran, Ph.D. (Metallurgy & Materials Sci.), Metallurgical Engineer
Indianapolis, Indiana

John Sotelo, BSME, MD, Mechanical Engineer
Eureka, CA

S. Drake, Electrical Engineer
Bear, DE

Ron Wilson, Engineering Staff
Fort Worth, Texas

David Gregg Ph.D., Chemical Engineer
Moraga, California

James Brooks, B. Civil Eng, University of Texas, Engineering Consultant
Austin, TX

Andrew Griffith B.S. Chemical Engineering, Engineering
Seattle, WA

Richard Besco, Engineering Staff
San Luis Obispo, CA

Keith E. Fleming BS Mechanical Engineering, Engineering Staff
Auburn, GA

Mike Meyer, Mechanical Engineer
Tempe, AZ

Henry Rozumski, Aerospace Engineer/ Analyst
Aiea, HI

Jeff Rogers MSME, Engineer
Woodland Park, CO

Rich Reed, B.S. Structural Engineering, UC San, Structural / Soils Engineer
San Diego, California

David Wilkins, Electrical Engineer
San Jose, CA

Robert Hulsart, Computer Engineer
Franklin Square, NY

Warren J Raftshol, MS Civil Engineering, 1982
Suttons Bay, Michigan

James R. Northrup, Sr., Welding Engineer & Journeyman Steamfitter
Ypsilanti, MI

Rich McCampbell, BS ChemE
Boston, MA

Jon Marino, BSCE, EIT, Design Engineer
Phoenix, AZ

Victor Connor MS in electrical and computer engine,
Normal, IL