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Originally posted by xXxAzNrAvErxXx What happens to the key when u change the pitch by 3%...or 6%?

goes up by a semi-tone i think

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Originally posted by xXxAzNrAvErxXx What happens to the key when u change the pitch by 3%...or 6%?

The actual key changes completely at about 4.5% (ish). However if you think about it, at 3% the change is already so considerable that you might be better off actually playing that track with the next key rather than it's original key.

Also the other thing to remember is that the most important thing is that you want to compare the difference in pitch between the two records and not the 0 point.

Cheers
Nem

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When u pitch up the song by 4.5 %, does the key change into the next step on the Camelot wheel? ie. 1A to 2A.

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sure it does ... it is not all the way there but it is close enough for rock n' roll sort to speak. It is actually somewhere in the middle but closer to the next note. I forget the term for it, but usually it is close enough to mix with the next half-step. However, 1a does not go to 2a it jumps to 8a. why? 1a is Ab minor, and 8a is A minor (one half step increase).

cheers...

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Originally posted by xmotleyx sure it does ... it is not all the way there but it is close enough for rock n' roll sort to speak. It is actually somewhere in the middle but closer to the next note. I forget the term for it, but usually it is close enough to mix with the next half-step. However, 1a does not go to 2a it jumps to 8a. why? 1a is Ab minor, and 8a is A minor (one half step increase). cheers...

That's right. The actual numbers in the camelot scale don't follow the chromatic scale. They follow their own which is designed to help you know what goes with what rather than any order of things... if that makes sense.

Cheers
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Originally posted by Nemesis44 That's right. The actual numbers in the camelot scale don't follow the chromatic scale. They follow their own which is designed to help you know what goes with what rather than any order of things... if that makes sense. Cheers Nem

Thanks for the help guys...

I know most of you said that trance songs that are written in a Major Key are rare but after I keyed my whole record collection, I found that a little less than 1/3 of my records are in Major Keys. Does that sound about right??

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not sure about 1/3, maybe high??? who knows...

as for your tracks why dont you post them so we can all compare and be sure all of us are right. i am going to be posting my list after the weekend. As soon as i am finished my first crate.

cheers...

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Originally posted by xXxAzNrAvErxXx Thanks for the help guys... I know most of you said that trance songs that are written in a Major Key are rare but after I keyed my whole record collection, I found that a little less than 1/3 of my records are in Major Keys. Does that sound about right??

Would have to say that it sounds a little on the high side as I can only think of two in my record box currently out of 110. But it does depend on your music tastes totally so it may be so.

Depends on how you did it. If you used software the chances are that some of the are totally way off.

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Sorry to sound a nOOb, but how do you actually set it up to find the key? Do you spin the record on the deck and play some keys on your keyboard and see which ones fits best with the song, or is it certain parts of the song. Please explain if you don't mind, thanks.

I keyed by playing my records and using the piano program downloaded from DJ prince's harmonic mixing website. I played the keys while the song is playing to determine which key the song is in...Maybe I was doing it way too fast since I was trying to rush and key all my records asap. I will post my list when I get home from work today to compare with what you guys have....

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Here are the songs I keyed that has a major Key:

Artist Title Key
Mekka Diamondback (Original) B
Randy Katana One Solid Wave (Original) B
MMDC No More Rain G#
Marco V Milla B
Yahel & Eyal Barkan Voyage (Original) B
Yahel & Eyal Barkan Voyage (Magikal Remake) B
Randy Katana One Solid Wave (Sam Sharp Remix) B

Solid Sessions Janeiro (James Holden Remix) F#
Son of a Pitch Nemo '03 F#
Natious Amber (Oliver Lieb Remix) F#
Natious Amber(Natious Remix) F#
Tiesto Forever Today Gb
Phil Green Tribal Trance F#

Sasha Rabbitweed C#
Rank 1 C Sharp C#
Paul van Dyk Buenaventura (Reflections Vinyl Mix) C#m

Scorchio G#
Nu Nrg Dreamland G#
Airscape L'esperanza (Original Mix) G#
Airscape L'esperanza (Sven Goes To The Love Parade+B52 G#

Sasha Baja D#
Paul van Dyk Nothing But You (Berlin Mix) Eb

Way Out West The Fall (Full Length) A#
Plastic Boy Night Hawk A#
Balearic Bill Destination Sunshine (DJ Tiesto Dub) A#
Phil Green Solaris A#
DJ Tiesto Sparkles (Airscape Remix) A#
Paul van Dyk Out There Gm

Orinoko Island (Mogwai Remix) F
Marco V Solarize F
Marco V My Acid Pacemaker F
Oliver Lieb Subraumstimulation F
Rank 1 Airwave (Rank 1 vs. Dutch Force) F
Rank 1 Aiwave (Sunset Mix) F
Rank 1 Airwave (Original) F
Rank 1 Airwave (ATB Remix) F
Terry Bones vs. Fred Baker pres. Waterplanet Introspection(Original Mix) F
Solid Sleep Club Attack (TPOD) F
Angelic Touchdown Marinero (Nu Nrg Remix) F


Paul van Dyk Vega (Starecase Remix) C
Armin Communication (Original 12" Mix) C
Epsilon 9 Life Formation (Classified Project Remix) C
Lost Tribe Gamemaster (Signum Remix) C
Cloud 69 Sixty Nine Ways C
Marco V vs. Jens Loops & Things Relooped (Marco V's Original Mix) C
Eon Talk to Me C
Yahel Devotion (Armin Mix) C
Eyal Barkan & A-Force Revolution (Eyal Barkan Extended) C
Paul van Dyk Avenue C

Armin pres. Rising Star Touch Me - Part 2 (AvB Remix) G
Armin pres. Rising Star Touch Me - Part 2 (Vincent de Moor Remix) G
Gouryella Tenshi (Original Transa Mix) G
4 Strings Day Time (Original Gizeh Mix) G
The Thrillseekers Synaesthesia G
Second Sun Empire (Original) G
Second Sun Empire (TPOD Mix) G

Airwave vs Armin Sunspot (DCML Remix) D
Airwave vs Armin Sunspot D
Joker Jam Traffic D
Circ Destroy She Said (DeDonatis Remix) D
Marco V Rise D
Tillmann Uhrmacher On the Run (Original) D
Paul van Dyk That's Life (PvD Mix) D
Tillmann Uhrmacher On the Run (Minimalistix Remix) D

Chicane Halcyon (Airscape Remix) A
Cloud 69 When I Close My Eyes A
Afterburn North Pole A
Afterburn Frattboy A
Blank & Jones Cream (ATB Mix) A
Agnelli & Nelson Embrace (New York Mix) A

Paul van Dyk Time of Our Lives (UK Club Mix) E

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Paul van Dyk Time of Our Lives (UK Club Mix) E

I am at work at the moment so i cannot check anything out. However, I DO remember getting E major for this track as well.

cheers...