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Originally posted by Enraptured This is a bit of a leap, I think... how can we know where we would be under a true communist society? It has never been successfully applied... this may sound cheesy but think "Star Trek"... the whole earth working together towards a common goal... and Halo is right, Marxism was the idea of a society working for the COMMON good, not for personal gain... which does seem like a pipe-dream when viewed from a capitalist-biased point of view... but it's actually not a bad idea, in theory. The problem is, always has been, and will REMAIN, (at least IMHO), human nature. We don't share well. Think what people could accomplish if everyone were focused on the same thing? The US made it to the moon with the computing power of a COMMODORE 64!!! We would be crusing around other galaxies by now... so don't try to tell me that capitalism is the ideal form of economic archetype. Because it simply isn't!

well since we mentioned the topic of the human race advancing at a high rate(through technology)... I agree with Enraptured... theres another side to the coin.

i mean dont get me wrong, i believe that technology and humanity could have some harmony if we werent so concerned with profit... but again the technology industry is refusing ethics... can you say CLONING. hahaha. ok, so now people think they are God. hahaha

anyways, check out this site... its a scarey perspective of how technology is being pushed in the wrong direction...

mostly for one reason. PROFIT *BARF*

http://www.galafilm.com/roadstories/

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Originally posted by Enraptured This is a bit of a leap, I think... how can we know where we would be under a true communist society? It has never been successfully applied... this may sound cheesy but think "Star Trek"... the whole earth working together towards a common goal... and Halo is right, Marxism was the idea of a society working for the COMMON good, not for personal gain... which does seem like a pipe-dream when viewed from a capitalist-biased point of view... but it's actually not a bad idea, in theory. The problem is, always has been, and will REMAIN, (at least IMHO), human nature. We don't share well. Think what people could accomplish if everyone were focused on the same thing? The US made it to the moon with the computing power of a COMMODORE 64!!! We would be crusing around other galaxies by now... so don't try to tell me that capitalism is the ideal form of economic archetype. Because it simply isn't!

I don't anyone is saying that capitalism is ideal...but it sure beats the pants off anything else out there...

Communism is a nice idea but is the pinicle of Marxism; the utopian society; history shows that any country that's ever adopted it can't compete with the rest of the world...
China knows this and that's why they are starting to allow capitalist businesses...they don't want to be another Russia...

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Originally posted by dEsidEL c'mon Peter, you didn't think capitalism would cause a hot debate?? this topic falls in the ranks of:

most of my threads sink pretty fast, so maybe thats why

lmao

I'd write my opinions on all this, but I really am too lazy to get into a hot discussion; but I'll just say this about the people who are saying that we shouldn't be told what to do with our money. You're right, we shouldn't. We live in a democracy (i use the term loosely in some aspects) and we shouldn't be told what to do with our possessions; but we are told what to do with it all. Every day you see commercials on TV, ad's in magazines, on the net, telling you to buy this and that. And like all these product advert's, you have charity companies who are asking you to donate to the poor.

But whatever; no system is perfect. There will always be flaws with any political system because, when it comes right down to it, you can't please everybody.

With that being said; I support capitalism simply because I believe that people should have the free will to start a business and make money for their own survival, for their own benefits; BUT, I think that capitalism should be controlled better. Yea, Bill Gates spent countless nights busting his ass off, and all that hard work paid off and he deserves most of it, but being worth more than almost half a country like the US is a little too much; especially when you got so many people in the world itself who never get an oppurtunity to make even a dollar.

edit: well! so much for being lazy and trying not to get into the argument, lol.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Yea, Bill Gates spent countless nights busting his ass off, and all that hard work paid off and he deserves most of it, but being worth more than almost half a country like the US is a little too much; especially when you got so many people in the world itself who never get an oppurtunity to make even a dollar.

Yes, but even though he's worth over $54 BILLION dollars he's donated over 54% of that to charity...

Is that greedy capitalism?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Yes, but even though he's worth over $54 BILLION dollars he's donated over 54% of that to charity... Is that greedy capitalism?

Do you have a source for this?

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess Do you have a source for this?

here is one of his charities!!

here

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fuck 4 pages already. yet another interesting topic ill pass over because of over population and useless posts

^^^cool. I didn't know. It seems like he doesn't boast too much about his charities. I do remember one that he give computers to schools or something.

(but charities also mean tax deductions).

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess (but charities also mean tax deductions).

effin hippies are never happy.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Yes, but even though he's worth over $54 BILLION dollars he's donated over 54% of that to charity... Is that greedy capitalism?

shutup Jeff!!

lol

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess ^^^cool. I didn't know. It seems like he doesn't boast too much about his charities. I do remember one that he give computers to schools or something. (but charities also mean tax deductions).

I was reading somewhere about Bill Gates,and he said that he will give everything he has,and all of his Money to the Chrities once he dies!!Iam gonna try to find the article.

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