Agreed. When my dad came from Holland in 1957 our family lived in someone's basement for free and everyone worked and contributed to the household. EVERYONE including the kids. There was no such thing as welfare back then for ANYONE including immigrants. If you didnt learn english nobody hired you. There were no government funded english courses, just good old fashioned school.

Now tell me why this cant hold true today?

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Originally posted by dEsidEL a lot changes in a few hundred years

What has changed other than our willingness to coddle new immigrants into abandoning the need to become a Canadian?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Now tell me why this cant hold true today?

By making it easy on immigrants, the Lieberals get their vote.

Nevermind the fact that Toronto is FULL, and we can't handle any more people here.

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Originally posted by dEsidEL it's comments like discojoe's that only spur further animosity between landed immigrants and that of multi-generation Canadians. i understand that he's just being defensive at what Cyrus King was saying, but i know Cyrus too well and most of the comments he makes here are to be taken with a grain of salt. he's obviously trying to intentionally irritate certain people here and they continually show signs of being bothered by it by agreeing to reply to his seemingly hateful and unfounded comments. i think we should be trying to find ways to help immigrants better integrate into this society rather than simply pointing a finger at immigration as a whole. why not encourage the development of immigrant communities in rural parts of Canada (especially that of the Maritimes) who are in need of skilled labour? instead many newcomers choose to settle toward urban areas already deeply saturated with large minority communities where immigrant youths are more likely to gravitate towards replicated ethnic violence, poverty, and crime that their parents may have sought to initially escape. why not find ways to promote educational reforms that seek to better inform immigrants of the culture norms of our society to which they may be more appreciative of? instead many simply expect that these desireable qualities should come about on their own without any intention of promoting it. reduction in immigration isn't the answer. Canada, if anything needs immigrants not just to help support its aging population, but to keep it competitive on a global level. generalized statements like the one made by discojoe are not just potentially offensive, but undermine the hard work by many immigrants that legitimately seek to help improve their well being and the well being of this country.

Well put and the irony being, we are in fact a country made up of....(what's the word?)......immigrants!

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Well put and the irony being, we are in fact a country made up of....(what's the word?)......immigrants!

I'm not an immigrant.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Well put and the irony being, we are in fact a country made up of....(what's the word?)......immigrants!

scarborough isn't that big

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf I'm not an immigrant.

I could probably say the same since a portion of my heritage is actually Canadian native (I'm one generation back from being classified as, "Métis").

But that doesn't give me any right to turn a blind eye to immigrants entering the country.
We all live on this rock and we have to learn to live together.
Wishing them away or being belligerent about them (or the subject) just shows their emotional / intellectual maturity...

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Hate to say it, but I agree with Diginut, but when any citizen of Canada can get money for doing jack shit, they will and can, so I think its time to get harder on welfare and unemployment in general. Even non-immigrants are draining the system way too much, but what can you do, its just impossible to keep track of them, they are so many. The system allows for too many leetches.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I could probably say the same since a portion of my heritage is actually Canadian native (I'm one generation back from being classified as, "Métis"). But that doesn't give me any right to turn a blind eye to immigrants entering the country. We all live on this rock and we have to learn to live together. Wishing them away or being belligerent about them (or the subject) just shows their emotional / intellectual maturity...

"Natives" or "First Nation" peoples are from Asia.

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Originally posted by Rodrico Hate to say it, but I agree with Diginut, but when any citizen of Canada can get money for doing jack shit, they will and can, so I think its time to get harder on welfare and unemployment in general. Even non-immigrants are draining the system way too much, but what can you do, its just impossible to keep track of them, they are so many. The system allows for too many leetches.

i agree .. and we're not the only country to face these kinda problems either

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf "Natives" or "First Nation" peoples are from Asia.

it began in Africa-ca-ca-ca..

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf "Natives" or "First Nation" peoples are from Asia.

Yes, but then immigration at that time was a moot point...

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...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."