People who are not from Israel are better off talking about soccer,drugs,gambling and Celine Dion ey?.

Why bother yourselfs with stuff you have nothing to do with?

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza So I guess your solution to the Palestine problem is to kill all those who oppose the Israeli government? Do you think its ok that Israel leads the world in U.N. violations? Do you think its ok to persecute innocent people because a few have caused you harm?

The Israelis only lead the UN in violations(taken from your writing) because of the tough choices they have to make faced with a situation unlike any on the planet. It is not ok to persecute anyone for any reason, nor is it ok to terrorize them and both may be guilty.

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Stop being so greedy and share. Help the Palestine people build homes and schools and they will love the Israeli people and not hate them. Win their hearts and their minds not through war but through peace. You can never win the peace with an ‘eye for an eye’ philosophy. Abandon your selfish interests and learn to forgive.

It is not the Israeli's duty to rebuild the palestinian lands, if they want their land then they want the responsibilities that go with the land.

Forgiving applies to both sides and if the militants and Arafat forgave in the mid 90s we wouldn't be here today. Talk about being greedy, remember more than 1 time they had peace deals on the table.

Lets just say hypothetically the Israelis find the hippy spirit as you were saying and forgive and find all the love in their hearts and never attack the palestinians again. Tomorrow there is a bus bomb, followed a week later by a suicide bomber. What do they do? Just keep turning their cheek and taking it?

My solution to the problem.
Finish the wall, but finish it on the 1967 borders, not the strange path it is on now. Dismantle settlements in gaza and the west bank. The palestinians must choose a real leader this time, not a figure head, and one that won't be turning down near perfect deals. As you stated one side has to give. At this point with the wall giving them security and the palestinians having their gaza and west bank there should be nothing left for them to bitch about. If the palestinians now with their own state and borders continues to kill israelis they should be help accountable by the world. The two sides don't have to love each other, they just have to coexist. If they are a north and south korea then so be it, at least there won't be killing on both sides.

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza Tell that to the Israeli soldiers killing innocent Palestine people each day while our local media in the USA only covers the acts against the Israeli people. Draw your own conclusions.

mate,
I'm sure you dont know, but before the Israeli forces coming to destroy a Plestinian place, they tell all the Palestinians innocent Palestine ppl to go out and leave the Palestinians killers alone there ! or even leave the place alone!

And you also dont know - When an Israeli soldier kill an innocent guy, the soldier get punished and go to a prison...

So next time dont say "the israeli soldies killing innocent Palestine", coz what you see in the TV and in the newspapers is not the truth!

I hope it'll make u discover something about Israel...

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil And now the Indians have settled for reclaiming some of their tribal land in court and are winning without bloodshed, and I know this because here they own two of the largest casinos on the planet on their reclaimed land and more groups are following. We covered this in more detail in the PF. In response to Cyrus. No I don't think the Israelis should have right just because they were there first, but one has to realize too this isn't just any ordinary piece of land like anywhere else on the globe. This is the holiest place for 3 major religions and they all claim the land as theirs. The population in the area was NOT all palestinians before the 1940's. In fact there was a large portion of Jews and Christians living in the land before the 1900s. In fact leading up to the 1940's, Jews and Christians comprised nearly 40% of the total population in the area. After the war the immigration just increased dramatically. The territorial borders in the 1900's changed dramatically as the Ottoman empire was dissolved and countries where created so when you talk about this land being theirs, well in the sense that they lived there yes but it was controlled by so many rulers and empires until the mid 1900s that it really was no country.

If the Natives came with GUNS and terrorist groups in the thousands and with the help of the UN was granted 56% of the United states, for a NATIVE INDIAN POPULATED NATION only, eventhough they were the minority.. im sure YOU WOULD NOT APPRECIATE THIS!!!!

Imagine they came into your house and said get out.. my great great great grandfatehr lived here..so i deserve this land mroe than you.. plus MY GOD SAID THIS IS OUR PROMISED LAND and we are "gods chosen people". Now there is a little problem.. in order to make an majority NATIVE indian inhabited land...they need to remove the NON-NATIVE populace..hmmmmm, remind you of soemthing????

Well.. if that happened in Canada.. i would fuckin fight to keep my home, or be forced to flee after seeing my neighbors get shot becuase they refused to leave.

Its nice the natives are actually going about it peacefully.. but the greedy terrorist leaders of Irgun and haganah (who later became ISraels LEADERS) didnt think that was an option.


Heres a link that clearly shows the INFLUX of jewish Immigrants to palestine during the 20's,30's, and 40's, as zionists garnered strength and support, espescially during WW2. Note 1922 11 % of the population were Jews.. this gets exponentially greater within 20 years.

http://www.mideastweb.org/palpop.htm


The poiint im getting here is that Jews were always there but as a very small minority populationt hat lived in relative peace with Chritians and Arabs until the growing threat of zionism and a Jewish only state started to emerge.

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Look, i think all of you just has to get this mentality in ur head.

BOTH SIDES HAVE DONE WRONG AND TRYING TO GET REVENGE WONT GET YOU ANYWHERE.

Lets forgive and forget. Dont give me some bullshit crap about how "an innocent 5 year old jew was brutally slaughtered in front of his mother" or how "all of the mother's sons were slayed during the intifadah".

At the end of the day, its not about whos land it belongs to. Its not about how many people one party has killed. Its REALLY about proving how 1 party has a more JUST cause than the other.

Well i say fuck the cause and start living in peace.

I'm in.

How can you talk about the U.N violations ?
Were not fighting a country !

What about the war in Iraq ? Do you think Iraqies had a representation in the U.N that matters ? same for the Palastinies... nobody gives a damn, and the world today, like it or not, has come to relized that all the countries-leaders that support terrorisem, lies, cheats, deseave, are no partners, and should be deal with force.

U.S.A did it extremly brutal in Iraq, because they just don't give a fuck.. and the world remained in silence... (Even Bush was elected once again!)

Now comes Israel, after the death of the best of our sons.. soldiers who fight for the country they live in... fighting to protect the homeland and families...

and go out to deal with the terrorists that killed us, most of the time without mistakes.

So we have from one side, Palastinies terrorists killing innocent people and soldiers. and we have Israel fighting back.

Do you see here a problem with the fighting ?
I'm not saying peace is wrong, and fighting should play the leading part in this play....
But you must look at the fact, as others before me have written them.

If you think that peace could have been achived in the days of Arafhat then either you have missed this class in school, or your a real fool. Israel came to him with open hands, offering more then he could dream of.. more then any of us believed... but still he chose the terror way... and because of that in his last year he was called "Irrelevent" "not a peace partner" and simply a pain-in-the-ass....

Now after he has passed away... I can only hope that the new Palastin gouverment could control the area and stop the fighting so we could all back to the meetings and peace confrences and...

MAKE PEACE

Thank you for your time.

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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: what do u mean god didnt tell the jews anything of that sort?

are you completely ignorant of the entire argument which is happenening in the middle east??

as far as a muslim is concerned, allah did not tell the jews that the area which we now call israel was their promised land, which is mainly why they are shitting all over each other and have been for centuries.

or did you not know that?

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Originally posted by Cyrus King If the Natives came with GUNS and terrorist groups in the thousands and with the help of the UN was granted 56% of the United states, for a NATIVE INDIAN POPULATED NATION only, eventhough they were the minority.. im sure YOU WOULD NOT APPRECIATE THIS!!!! Imagine they came into your house and said get out.. my great great great grandfatehr lived here..so i deserve this land mroe than you.. plus MY GOD SAID THIS IS OUR PROMISED LAND and we are "gods chosen people". Now there is a little problem.. in order to make an majority NATIVE indian inhabited land...they need to remove the NON-NATIVE populace..hmmmmm, remind you of soemthing???? Well.. if that happened in Canada.. i would fuckin fight to keep my home, or be forced to flee after seeing my neighbors get shot becuase they refused to leave. Its nice the natives are actually going about it peacefully.. but the greedy terrorist leaders of Irgun and haganah (who later became ISraels LEADERS) didnt think that was an option. Heres a link that clearly shows the INFLUX of jewish Immigrants to palestine during the 20's,30's, and 40's, as zionists garnered strength and support, espescially during WW2. Note 1922 11 % of the population were Jews.. this gets exponentially greater within 20 years. http://www.mideastweb.org/palpop.htm The poiint im getting here is that Jews were always there but as a very small minority populationt hat lived in relative peace with Chritians and Arabs until the growing threat of zionism and a Jewish only state started to emerge.

dont u see yourself only carin about past and what the god has said and bla bla... man in all your posts i see like 100 times the word "zionists" and "god"... as for me i dont give a shit about religion... i am seculair and btw just like many other israelis - i mean stop describe us like mostly religious fanatics coz indeed thats the main diference between us and pals...surprised??? u better get updated man... they r talkin too much about their god's saying and all this religious crap while promisin to the suicide bombers 15 virgins in a heaven... what ever...

what i was goin to say is u r wrong if u think we r god-addicted nation coz we r not... in the end this fukin religion causes all that happened... btw if we r already touched that issue find 1 line in Torah tellin us jews to kill "our enemies" arabs or smth like that...
hmmm... i think it will take u for ages to find it coz there is not such a thing... so u better start thinkin how to change the pals fanatic atitude and not the israeli one...

secondly, i dont know what u guys were thinkin but there is no such thing "simply destroy pals' homes with the bulldozers" i repeat there is no such thing... i mean i wont be suprised to hear u guys were thinkin there is such profession like "bulldozer-demolisher"...

who still doesnt know - our army destroys the Terrorist-home!!! after they make terror acts like bobmin themselves in the buses and so on... i repeat its terrorists' houses not just innocent pals who did nothin...i hope now i cleared your mind about that...

still i think we r gettin far away from the main issue with all this " i did that - u were first" and all this stuff...
the main problem in pals - they just dont wanna think about present and future - only the past in their washed brains... thats the problem israel has always been forgivin the pals for all their terror acts... i mean the fact our nation still talkin about "peace process" is quite unbelievable as to me u cant forgive sm1 for killin other ppl for nothin... but if we just close our eyes and will open the chapter from the blank sheat .... hm sounds nice and promisin - tell that to pals first and see their reaction... be carefull not to be covered with the bunch of stones over your head...

maybe the problem is only the education - i mean more that a half of the pals dont know nothin about education and such thing high school... i m sure the more educated ppl were there the better chances we'd had to solve the peace issue...

it seems most of the time like israel is dealin with some group of immoral barbarians who just know how to throw stones on our soldeirs... (btw stop thinkin inly about your stones - almost everyday there couple of missles been launched from the gaza to Sederot's area... no more stones there - what u goan say about that??? moreover these smart barbarians r so serpent when comin and cryin all the time to the UN while sendin the bombers on the other side to kill israelis....
i think the lack of some well-educated guys on the pals side is one of the problems - meanwhile they r ruled by some group of terrorists wantin to conquer the world and kill all the "unfaithfull human beings"...

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Originally posted by taltul secondly, i dont know what u guys were thinkin but there is no such thing "simply destroy pals' homes with the bulldozers" i repeat there is no such thing... i mean i wont be suprised to hear u guys were thinkin there is such profession like "bulldozer-demolisher"... who still doesnt know - our army destroys the Terrorist-home!!! after they make terror acts like bobmin themselves in the buses and so on... i repeat its terrorists' houses not just innocent pals who did nothin...i hope now i cleared your mind about that...

so what is the point in demolishing a dead terrorist's home? to make their families suffer? wtf.

as i said before, malik's sig says it all. an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind... the sooner BOTH sides realise this and sort it out, the better, otherwise you will be bombing and killing each other for the rest of eternity.

and to be honest, i think the US's role as a mediator should be given up. they don't help things at all being a biased nation. someone completely neutral should come along and do it. someone miles away who had nothing to do with the conflict in the first place, and someone who has no links to any of the faiths involved. for example, china or another mainly buddhist/far eastern country.

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to all peolple here who can't admit arafat is a terrorist, seeing the attacks on israel as a legitimate cause and all...

dont forget that he was behind the killings of Israeli athletes during the 1972 Munich Olympics...

well yea it also must be a legitimate attack, the athletes were zionists

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