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CHRles
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Originally posted by Magnetonium
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Now I am are proving myself to be a continuing retard.


Yes, you most certainly are.

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shaolin_Z
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Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Austin, Texas, USA: TXTA #102

quote:
Originally posted by CHRles
Yes, you most certainly are.


Wow, what a clever response .


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Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Fir3start3r
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quote:
Originally posted by Dopey
Cyrus, why did you leave this part out of your argument?

"The Nazi-Arab connection existed even when Adolf Hitler first seized power in Germany in 1933. News of the Nazi takeover was welcomed by the Arab masses with great enthusiasm, as the first congratulatory telegrams Hitler received upon being appointed Chancellor came from the German Consul in Jerusalem, followed by those from several Arab capitals. Soon afterwards, parties that imitated the National Socialists were founded in many Arab lands, like the "Hisb-el-qaumi-el-suri" (PPS) or Social Nationalist Party in Syria. Its leader, Anton Sa’ada, styled himself the Führer of the Syrian nation, and Hitler became known as "Abu Ali" (In Egypt his name was "Muhammed Haidar"). The banner of the PPS displayed the swastika on a black-white background. Later, a Lebanese branch of the PPS – which still receives its orders from Damascus – was involved in the assassination of Lebanese President Pierre Gemayel."


Oh...you mean...THIS guy??

quote:

Mohammad Amin al-Husayni (ca. 1895 - July 4, 1974, أمين الحسيني, alternatively spelt al-Husseini), the Mufti of Jerusalem, was a Palestinian Arab nationalist and a Muslim religious leader. Known for his anti-Zionism, al-Husayni fought against the establishment of a Jewish state in the territory of the British Mandate of Palestine. To this end, Husayni collaborated with Nazi Germany during World War II and helped recruit Muslims for the Waffen-SS.

>>Source<<

I have to laugh every time Cyrus even suggests Israelis are Nazis...
Poor sod...even history is against him.



Hmmm...wonder who that could be sitting next to Hilter...

Even Arafat made no bones about their Nazi connection:
quote:

* Yasser Arafat's interview with the London-based Arabic language newspaper Al Sharq al Awsat was reprinted by a leading Palestinian daily Al Quds (August 2, 2002):

Interviewer: I have heard voices from within the Palestinian Authority in the past few weeks, saying that the reforms are coordinated according to American whims...
Arafat: We are not Afghanistan. We are the mighty people. Were they able to replace our hero Hajj Amin al-Husseini?... There were a number of attempts to get rid of Hajj Amin, whom they considered an ally of the Nazis. But even so, he lived in Cairo, and participated in the 1948 war, and I was one of his troops."

>>Source as above<<


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Dopey
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quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Oh...you mean...THIS guy??


>>Source<<

I have to laugh every time Cyrus even suggests Israelis are Nazis...
Poor sod...even history is against him.



Hmmm...wonder who that could be sitting next to Hilter...

Even Arafat made no bones about their Nazi connection:

>>Source as above<<


Firestarter you fucking moron!

Don't you know it's the Jews' fault for not helping Hitler beat the Allies and then committing mass suicide afterwards? That way Hitler could have won and the Jews could have saved the Germans millions on bullets and gas! Money gouging peckers those Jews!


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I hardly if ever acknowledge sarcasm from a person I dont know because I ran into serious problems on an undisclosed buying website before.

Old Post Jan-30-2007 04:56  Palestine
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Fir3start3r, you're an idiot . If you really want to discuss Nazi connections, you might be interested in buying a copy of this:

51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis by Lenni Brenner

quote:
From Wikipedia:

Lenni Brenner (born 1937) is an American Marxist historian. In the 1960s, Brenner was a prominent civil rights activist and a prominent opponent of the Vietnam War.

Brenner was born into an Orthodox Jewish family. He became an atheist at age 12 and a Marxist at age 15. Brenner's involvement with the American Civil Rights Movement began when he met James Farmer of the Congress of Racial Equality, later the organizer of the "freedom rides" of the early 1960s. He also worked with Bayard Rustin, later the organizer of Martin Luther King's 1963 "I had a dream" March on Washington. (Neither were Marxists.)

Brenner was arrested three times during civil rights sit-ins in the San Francisco Bay Area. He spent 39 months in jail when a court revoked his probation for marijuana possession, because of his activities during the Berkeley Free Speech Movement at the University of California in 1964.

He was an anti-war activist from the first days of the Vietnam war, speaking frequently at rallies in the Bay Area. In 1963 he organized the Committee for Narcotic Reform in Berkeley. In 1968 he co-founded the National Association for Irish Justice, the American affiliate of the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association.

In the 1990s, he and Kwame Ture (aka Stokely Carmichael), the legendary "Black Power" leader of the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee, co-founded the Committee against Zionism and Racism. They also published The Anti-War Activist.


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A Review from Amazon:

257 of 318 people found the following review helpful:

Rating: 5 Stars

Lenni Brenner is a Courageous Speaker of the Truth, October 11, 2003
Reviewer: William Hughes (Baltimore, MD USA)


History can be deceptive. It's fair to say that some of the sensational never-published-before documents, in this book, will shock those who have accepted Zionism and its supposed history, at face value, as a political movement that was the hope of the Jews. Lenni Brenner, the intrepid author of "Zionism in the Age of Dictators," reveals disturbing new evidence in his latest effort, that suggest just the opposite. In fact, he makes a compelling case that the Zionist record was "dishonorable." You can consider this excellent tome as a worthy sequel to his first expose' on the myopic Zionist zealots of that bygone era.

For openers, Brenner showed how the Zionists had a long history of shameless cooperation with the Nazis, especially after the dictator Adolph Hitler had came to power in 1933. The Zionists were also in bed, to some extent, with the other members of what later became known as WWII's "Axis of Evil," that included Benito Mussolini's Italy, and Tojo Hideki's Japan. For example, in March 29,1936, Zionists praised Il Duce, and his regime, at the opening of a maritime school, funded by the Fascist government, at Civitavecchia. This is where a Zionist youth group, the "Betar," trained its sailors for the future Revisionist state. The speakers ignored the fact that on Oct. 3, 1935, Italian troops had invaded Abyssinia.

On another front, the "Third Congress of the Jewish Community of the Far East," was held in Jan., 1940, in Harbin, Manchuria, then reeling under a brutal military occupation by the Japanese imperial forces. At that time, too, Tokyo was already aligned with Hitler and Italy's Mussolini, in the notorious Anti-Comintern Pact. Also, keep in mind, that the Japanese's murderous "Rape of Nanking," had occurred in Dec., 1937, and the "Crystal Night" incident on Nov. 9, 1938. Nevertheless, the Zionist confab went out of its way to legitimize the Japanese occupation by certifying it as a guarantor of the "equality of all citizens," in that beleaguered land.

The Zionist also had a trade plan with the Berlin government by which German Jews could redeem their property in Nazi goods exported to then British-occupied Palestine. And to top it all off, the infamous SS-Hptscharf. Adolf Eichmann, had visited Palestine, in October, 1937, as the guest of the Zionists. He also met, in Egypt, with Feivel Polkes, a Zionist operative, whom Eichmann described as a "leading Haganah functionary." The chain-smoking Polkes was also on the Nazis' payroll "as an informer."

Brenner isn't the first writer to address the mostly taboo subject of how the Zionist leadership cooperated with the Nazis. Rolf Hilberg's seminal "The Destruction of European Jews"; Hannah Arendt's "Eichmann in Jerusalem"; Ben Hecht's "Perfidy"; Edwin Black's "The Transfer Agreement"; Francis R. Nicosia's "The Third Reich and the Palestine Question"; Rudolf Vrba and Alan Bestic's "I Cannot Forgive"; and Rafael Medoff's "The Deadening Silence: American Jews and the Holocaust," also dared, with varying public success.

After the Holocaust began in 1942, Eichmann dealt regularly with Dr. Rudolf Kastner, a Hungarian Jew, whom he considered a "fanatical Zionist." Kastner was later assassinated in Israel as a Nazi collaborator. At issue then, however, was the bargaining over the eventual fate of Hungary's Jews, who were slated for liquidation in the Nazi-run death camps. Eichmann said this about Kastner, the Zionist representative, "I believe that [he] would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal. He was not interested in old Jews or those who had become assimilated into Hungarian society. `You can have the others,' he would say, `but let me have this group here.' And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful. I would let his groups escape."

Readers, too, will be surprised to learn, that after the Nuremberg Anti-Jewish Race Laws were enacted in Sept., 1935, that there were only two flags that were permitted to be displayed in all of Nazi Germany. One was Hitler's favorite, the Swastika. The other was the blue and white banner of Zionism. The Zionists were also allowed to publish their own newspaper. The reasons for this Reich-sponsored favoritism was, according to the author: The Zionists and the Nazis had a common interest, making German Jews emigrate to Palestine.

As early as June 21, 1933, the German Zionist Federation was sending a secret memorandum to the Nazis, which said, in part:

"It is our opinion that an answer to the Jewish question truly satisfying to the national state [German Reich] can be brought about only with the collaboration of the Jewish movement that aims as a social, cultural and moral renewal of Jewry- -indeed, that such a national renewal must first create the decisive social and spiritual premises for all solutions..."

Incredibly, Avraham Stern, the leader of the notorious "Stern Gang," late in 1940, made a written proposal to Hitler, by which the Jewish militias in Palestine, would fight on "Germany's side," in the war against England, in exchange for the Nazis help in resolving the "Jewish Question" in Europe, and their assistance in creating an "historic Jewish state." By this date, German troops had already marched into Prague, invaded Poland, and had built the first concentration camp at Auschwitz. The deranged Stern had further bragged about how the Zionist organizations were "closely related to the totalitarian movements of Europe in [their] ideology and structure." Stern's obscene proposal was found in the German embassy, in Turkey, after WWII.

Finally, I think Brenner was right, when he wrote, "This book presents 51 historic documents to indict Zionism for repeated attempts to collaborate with Adolf Hitler. The evidence, not I, will convince you of the truth of this issue...Exposing the Zionist role in the Nazis era is part of the scrutiny of the past, required of historians."


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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Cyrus King
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quote:
Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Fir3start3r, you're an idiot . If you really want to discuss Nazi connections, you might be interested in buying a copy of this:

51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis by Lenni Brenner


awww.... poor Fir3start3r, Shaolin... you just totally raped his ass!


ahahahahahah


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Fir3start3r
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An American Marxist

The 'Stern Gang' were considered terrorists even by the British has their mandate was for a free Israel by any means necessary, even if it meant by fighting the British (hence their dealings with Hilter) however, the reasoning for Mohammad Amin al-Husayni was quite different as their mandate coincided better with Hitler's plan to eradicate the Jews.

It's safe to say the while Hitler may have been playing both sides of the fence at this time, it's obvious the influences of Nazism has forever left an indeleble mark in the teachings of modern day Muslim extremist propoganda...



I stumbled across this article and you might like it Shaolin.
It's pretty damning for all sides...
Don't go so much by the title of article; for instance did you know that the Muslim Brotherhood was actually on the British payroll at one time, as well as Nazis on the CIA's payroll without them knowing it (the British lied to them)?
Pretty spooky stuff...
>The Muslim Brotherhood, Nazis and Al-Qaeda<


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Fir3start3r
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quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
awww.... poor Fir3start3r, Shaolin... you just totally raped his ass!


ahahahahahah


Yea, I was really pwned there huh?


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quote:
Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Fir3start3r, you're an idiot . If you really want to discuss Nazi connections, you might be interested in buying a copy of this:

51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis by Lenni Brenner


Oh wow! 51 whole documents!! Thats a amazing, thats almost like 0.0000085 documents per each Nazi victim that died in the holocaust!

I am sooo convinced now that because the Asian jews had a conference in Manachuria and were friendly with the Emporer of Japan who spared his Jews and had a discussion on the Jew's behalf with Hitler that he was mad about that policy that indeed both my grandparents family were in fact not killed, raped, or their property compensated. It has become very clear that all those horrible tales they have refused to tell me in which I had to prod them repeatedly are all just the figment of the imagination of my poor old aging family. That tatoo on my grandfather and my grandmother's arm afterall, was just for kicks, ya know part of what they did with their buddies after celebrating the fact that they created a trade plan with the German authorities that when they stole their property, that they could get a little money if the British would be so benevolent to actually let them come to the Jewish homeland.

Wow, thanks for showing me the true light!


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quote:
Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Fir3start3r, you're an idiot . If you really want to discuss Nazi connections, you might be interested in buying a copy of this:

51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis by Lenni Brenner


you're calling him an idiot after basing your argument on what a Atheist, Marxist, pothead dug up?

just because he was born a Jew and became a self loathing Jew before his 13th birthday (probably because he was too lazy to learn his Torah reading for his Bar Mitzvah), you expect us to automatically give him credibility?

why don't you just quote Ahmadinejad?

Why don't you find what actual historians have to say?


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i listen to trance becuase it is beautifully composed like a classical piece of music.... but with beats in it...

quote:
Originally posted by Magnetonium
I hardly if ever acknowledge sarcasm from a person I dont know because I ran into serious problems on an undisclosed buying website before.

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Cyrus King
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quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
An American Marxist

The 'Stern Gang' were considered terrorists even by the British has their mandate was for a free Israel by any means necessary, even if it meant by fighting the British (hence their dealings with Hilter) however, the reasoning for Mohammad Amin al-Husayni was quite different as their mandate coincided better with Hitler's plan to eradicate the Jews.

It's safe to say the while Hitler may have been playing both sides of the fence at this time, it's obvious the influences of Nazism has forever left an indeleble mark in the teachings of modern day Muslim extremist propoganda...



I stumbled across this article and you might like it Shaolin.
It's pretty damning for all sides...
Don't go so much by the title of article; for instance did you know that the Muslim Brotherhood was actually on the British payroll at one time, as well as Nazis on the CIA's payroll without them knowing it (the British lied to them)?
Pretty spooky stuff...
>The Muslim Brotherhood, Nazis and Al-Qaeda<


Im really not surprised you would rehash the same bullshit pics with that hand gesture to stigmatize these resistance groups' "alignment" with nazism
Weak, just weak


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marc, do you honestly think these "resistance" groups would not be sympathetic to hitler and his actions were he alive today?

Their goals seem to be similar...cleansing the world of the jews and replacing it with a new order; In Hitler's case, rule by the aryan race...In their case, rule by an islamic theocracy.

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