i do now more than ever lol.
and im serious about the slogan ideas.
in an attempt to turn a new leaf in life i've joined a teen mentoring group, and the sales of these shirts could go a long way to giving some of these underprivaledged kids a chance at doing things they couldn't normally under the circumstances...let em rip.

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Originally posted by Frenchie Why do we love Vivid now?

same reason we always did. cause im more black then IvanD

and black is cool

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy same reason we always did. cause im more black then IvanD and black is cool

ahaaaa!!
Oh, ok.

hahha

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy same reason we always did. cause im more black then IvanD and black is cool

hahha

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy same reason we always did. cause im more black then IvanD and black is cool

neva!

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak It has nothing to do with music but with irresponsible parenting.

I thought this comment was pretty interesting.

Music has always been with people - as an art form, it's one of the most significant foundations when attempting to define a civilization or culture. The question must be asked - does music change the world or does the world change music?

My answer would be both. I think the rap argument was a pretty significant one, even if people weren't aware of the fact that they were actually discussing a reflection of our current society. People complain about the music and the message and what it (gasp!) might be promoting and how it might be influencing those pliable young minds of lower, middle and sometimes even upper society, yet they do not seek to understand the reason for such a thing in the first place. This world is shit - people are killed, they are raped, their pets are raped and killed, they are forced to carry their loved ones' heads, they are murdered by somebody armed with a button who is thousands of miles away, or any combination of any sort of horrible scenario you can envision - it's probably happened somewhere - it might even be happening right now. I know I have said it before, but this age is like none other - our lives lie in our own hands and at the press of a button it could all go away; no defense, no argument or protest or whining about how your rights to life have been violated - just death. People are at the mercy of others and have others at their very mercy and the only thing that keeps us all alive and well in our time is trust.

How does this relate to anything that is being discussed? Well, for starters, the weak have the power behind a weapon at a horrifying convenience. It's no longer survival of the fittest, but survival of the most well-armed. We all hang on a fucking toenail, lives in the balance, struggling to trust that somebody will not decide to nuke us today or tomorrow or will run that red light or will blow our fucking heads off from 600 yards away - and it's fucking scary. It's a world of fear and isolation anymore and, though the threat of imminent death has always been with us, our enemy has not always been ourselves, nor has this dilemma been addressed by people with such itchy trigger fingers. This fucked-up society of people infected with fear and violence has caused such a malaise so that the glorification of power is indeed one dreamed of by anyone callow enough to believe that it truly exists. In this respect, violence (any physical assertion over others) has become the supreme mental game for us all and it has become the religion of the subconscious and ignorant.

This malaise seeps from our media, our sense of 'entertainment' and infects people with this false narcissism and self-importance, attracting them to senses of power and expedient achievement for many different reasons. Coping? Compensation? Basic human drives? Who the hell knows. But the lure of such things starts in childhood and can either be confirmed or rejected by a number of different circumstances - to name one, the quality of parenting. I don't know if it needs to be said by now, but even 'good' parents do not create 'good' children nor do 'bad' parents necessarily produce 'bad' children. Sure, you can argue that there is some influence, but even so, parents were once children as well, so maybe it was the generation of the grandparents that should be blamed for such degrade? Maybe the grandparents' parents? And so on.

My point is, this is a shitty world and everything is influenced by everything. There is no single 'corrupting' factor in our society, nor does there exist any single element of true salvation or enlightenment. Rap music is both a liberating and a condemning element - produced by people who, some of which, had great childhoods and probably many of which had horrible ones. That is still no reason to villanize the element or necessarily the people who comprise the element, but rather, blame the society that produced such a thing. Blame the society that produced such people and such attitudes to rhyme about the very violence which created them. Blame the people for singing about the fucked up things in their fucked up world and then say that they make no sense and that everything is just peachy-keen and that they are rapping for no reason.

I'm not going to preach about abortion because it is a personal choice and absolutely nothing more, but please people, understand that even people with shitty parents can grow up to be your friends. Denying the very chance of their existence is a sad one indeed. This is not pro or anti-anything, this is just me stating that our society creates these people who create music who define a civilization who creates music who creates people who create society.

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Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

holy crap im definately gonna read that when i get home

-allied nations

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I thought this comment was pretty interesting. Music has always been with people - as an art form, it's one of the most significant foundations when attempting to define a civilization or culture. The question must be asked - does music change the world or does the world change music? My answer would be both. I think the rap argument was a pretty significant one, even if people weren't aware of the fact that they were actually discussing a reflection of our current society. People complain about the music and the message and what it (gasp!) might be promoting and how it might be influencing those pliable young minds of lower, middle and sometimes even upper society, yet they do not seek to understand the reason for such a thing in the first place. This world is shit - people are killed, they are raped, their pets are raped and killed, they are forced to carry their loved ones' heads, they are murdered by somebody armed with a button who is thousands of miles away, or any combination of any sort of horrible scenario you can envision - it's probably happened somewhere - it might even be happening right now. I know I have said it before, but this age is like none other - our lives lie in our own hands and at the press of a button it could all go away; no defense, no argument or protest or whining about how your rights to life have been violated - just death. People are at the mercy of others and have others at their very mercy and the only thing that keeps us all alive and well in our time is trust. How does this relate to anything that is being discussed? Well, for starters, the weak have the power behind a weapon at a horrifying convenience. It's no longer survival of the fittest, but survival of the most well-armed. We all hang on a fucking toenail, lives in the balance, struggling to trust that somebody will not decide to nuke us today or tomorrow or will run that red light or will blow our fucking heads off from 600 yards away - and it's fucking scary. It's a world of fear and isolation anymore and, though the threat of imminent death has always been with us, our enemy has not always been ourselves, nor has this dilemma been addressed by people with such itchy trigger fingers. This fucked-up society of people infected with fear and violence has caused such a malaise so that the glorification of power is indeed one dreamed of by anyone callow enough to believe that it truly exists. In this respect, violence (any physical assertion over others) has become the supreme mental game for us all and it has become the religion of the subconscious and ignorant. This malaise seeps from our media, our sense of 'entertainment' and infects people with this false narcissism and self-importance, attracting them to senses of power and expedient achievement for many different reasons. Coping? Compensation? Basic human drives? Who the hell knows. But the lure of such things starts in childhood and can either be confirmed or rejected by a number of different circumstances - to name one, the quality of parenting. I don't know if it needs to be said by now, but even 'good' parents do not create 'good' children nor do 'bad' parents necessarily produce 'bad' children. Sure, you can argue that there is some influence, but even so, parents were once children as well, so maybe it was the generation of the grandparents that should be blamed for such degrade? Maybe the grandparents' parents? And so on. My point is, this is a shitty world and everything is influenced by everything. There is no single 'corrupting' factor in our society, nor does there exist any single element of true salvation or enlightenment. Rap music is both a liberating and a condemning element - produced by people who, some of which, had great childhoods and probably many of which had horrible ones. That is still no reason to villanize the element or necessarily the people who comprise the element, but rather, blame the society that produced such a thing. Blame the society that produced such people and such attitudes to rhyme about the very violence which created them. Blame the people for singing about the fucked up things in their fucked up world and then say that they make no sense and that everything is just peachy-keen and that they are rapping for no reason. I'm not going to preach about abortion because it is a personal choice and absolutely nothing more, but please people, understand that even people with shitty parents can grow up to be your friends. Denying the very chance of their existence is a sad one indeed. This is not pro or anti-anything, this is just me stating that our society creates these people who create music who define a civilization who creates music who creates people who create society.

You write quite well, and i'm sure you could bullshit any professor with some of your ramblings.I don't need 4 paragraphs to respond.If positive role models were in the home like they should be, perhaps impressionable children might not seek guidance from lesser sources that do not teach values and ethics of a higher fiber?God no wonder mickey mike loves you so much

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak You write quite well, and i'm sure you could bullshit any professor with some of your ramblings.I don't need 4 paragraphs to respond.If positive role models were in the home like they should be, perhaps impressionable children might not seek guidance from lesser sources that do not teach values and ethics of a higher fiber?God no wonder mickey mike loves you so much

I hardly even addressed this topic as it was not the primary focus of my incessant ramblings, thank you very much.

And it is nowhere nearly as simple as having positive role models in the home. Positivity is a factor that is relative to the current state of society and ethical frameworks that are acceptably assimilated by the majority of people. So what are your terms for a "positive role model"? Saying that "good stuff creates more good stuff" leads us nowhere, even if you think your brevity to be profound.

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There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

i think every dinner party needs you, you would come in so handy to help dispatch those guests who never seem to want to leave.They would be running for the door along with the hosts

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Originally posted by all-nite-freak i think every dinner party needs you, you would come in so handy to help dispatch those guests who never seem to want to leave.They would be running for the door along with the hosts

That's a good story.

Anyways, let's address the very topic of the thread. Did it ever occur to you that, working in a child services department, you might be witnessing the absolute worst scenarios? I mean, many parents care for their children, single, divorced, married and unhappy, whatever - they actually give a shit about their kids and do not do things that result in dealings with child services...

so suddenly it is a surprise to you that people with problems are to be found at centres which deal with problems? The conclusion you have drawn is that there are some shitty parents out there and the fact that you have witnessed some while working at a place which more or less deals with shitty parental problems justifies saying that this generation of parents is more fucked up than any other?

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There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

this thread stems not only from my job, but from my recent personal experiences as well as those of many close to me.I've seen this trend before this job, the job only served as the catalyst to ask these questions and make these statements in a thread

Linear thinking can sometimes always use the influence of a bend in the road to promote deeper and elaborate opinions