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Originally posted by Magnetonium Yeah, why are Jews at the center of attention in WW2? How come even though Soviet Union lost 28+ million people, when I do a poll on people's knowledge of that, most people would only know how many Jews died. Couple of my friends actually told me that according to the knowledge accumulated they thought that Jews made up HALF of all WW2 deaths. WHOA, whoa ...

Yeah, no one ever explains that bit. Apparently 'goyim' deaths don't count. That's the power of guilt man. A guilt ridden population is very easy to silence, confuse, and manipulate. Ofcourse similiar attrocities and crimes against humanity that are talking place now go virtually ignored or unacknowledged. But these specific victims are sand****** goyim, so it's all good.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Yeah, no one ever explains that bit. Apparently 'goyim' deaths don't count. That's the power of guilt man. A guilt ridden population is very easy to silence, confuse, and manipulate. Ofcourse similiar attrocities and crimes against humanity that are talking place now go virtually ignored or unacknowledged. But these specific victims are sand****** goyim, so it's all good.

Oh yeah, definitely!

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Man oh man, this Iranian leader is pretty good. I mean, I feel it for the Jewish people and their suffering, and I am NOT anti-semitic, but I cannot disagree with above quote, eespecially looking at the grim situation of Palestinians right now, hostages and victims of Israel.

See, this is what I don't understand; giving credence to the fact that 'somehow' the holocaust is related, or on par with, the Palestinians current situation.
They're not even close in the remotest sense other than the holocaust 'mostly' refers to the Jews and 'mostly' Jews live in Israel.
That's it.
At what point did our brains become lulled to sleep in making up this faux Holocaust = Palestinian equation?
Honestly, lets be at least intelligent about this...

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And as for his denial or "doubt" about Holocaust, that's Ahmadinejad's opinion, and quite frankly, I dont think he should go to prison just for that - though I do think that his education and IQ levels are slightly low for a leader of a country (comparable to Bush's IQ I suppose). But then again - I am very sure he knows that Holocaust happened, he's probably saying his "doubts" to piss Jews off and play along to his Arabic supporters and semitics around the world.[/COLOR]

Sad excuse and not a very good job on covering up for his rheotoric.
While I agree with the rest of you that Ahmadinejad isn't really the one in power, he's also the one that DEALS WITH THE REST OF US on that political level that countries need to do when it comes to real world issues.
Brushing him off as some puppet is akin to saying Bush doesn't hold any sway in their foreign policy; not that bright on idea either...

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Why not destroy every suspect nuke site in Israel as well?

I'm completely against any country having nukes.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King i listen to trance becuase it is beautifully composed like a classical piece of music.... but with beats in it...

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I hardly if ever acknowledge sarcasm from a person I dont know because I ran into serious problems on an undisclosed buying website before.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I agree. Why should ordinary Germans be held hostage to the day for the crimes they themselves didnt do? Most of the criminals are dead by now. They shouldn't feel guilty, they lost families, land (East Prussia), pride, war. They paid out the damages, apologized and are living civilized today. Yeah, why are Jews at the center of attention in WW2? How come even though Soviet Union lost 28+ million people, when I do a poll on people's knowledge of that, most people would only know how many Jews died. Couple of my friends actually told me that according to the knowledge accumulated they thought that Jews made up HALF of all WW2 deaths. WHOA, whoa ... Man oh man, this Iranian leader is pretty good. I mean, I feel it for the Jewish people and their suffering, and I am NOT anti-semitic, but I cannot disagree with above quote, eespecially looking at the grim situation of Palestinians right now, hostages and victims of Israel. And as for his denial or "doubt" about Holocaust, that's Ahmadinejad's opinion, and quite frankly, I dont think he should go to prison just for that - though I do think that his education and IQ levels are slightly low for a leader of a country (comparable to Bush's IQ I suppose). But then again - I am very sure he knows that Holocaust happened, he's probably saying his "doubts" to piss Jews off and play along to his Arabic supporters and semitics around the world.

how are Germans held hostage by the holocaust?

how do you compare the deaths of soviets (who belonged to a country at WAR with germany) to jews, who were citizens of Germany? theres a difference between the deaths of civilians in a war and genocide.

how are Palestinians hostages and victims of Israel? lol, maybe they do it themselves? don't you think? i have a hunch that if they stopped strapping bombs to themselves, things would be okay.

use common sense and stop trying to purposely have a different opinion than everyone else. it doesn't make you cool, it just makes you look like a moron.

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Originally posted by LazFX wishfull thinking there, Isreal may be invaded, but the invading muslim soldiers will not have a home or family to return to. is that what you want?? Do you really honestly believe that if even all of the Arab Countries Banded together and the US stayed out of it, that it would be a cake walk?? Also if the US was so focking evil why DO WE use rules to fight the insurgents?? Why not cut off a few heads on video tape while screaming GOD IS GREAT like your precious little isurgents are doing? If the US was as evil as you beleive, then there would be no disscusion about this, cause it would of already been over. I am not trying to start a mud slinging war with you Hardcore. You know damn well though, that if the US would use all of its weapons, technology with out a moral ground, unlike your precious little isurgents; who hide in mosques, use human shields, have the kidnapped the religion of Islam, kill people just because they believe a different sect all in the name of God! you can not be that Naive can you? Do you think you would be in a better place, if you were goverened by the likes of the insurgents or Iran itself?? Answer that for me, if not then every single one of you aurguments here on this forum are baseless and you need to seek help.

it's all religion. theres no common sense involved when people take a book and say its the literal word of god, with no room for interpretation. they're living in the medieval age and holding back the rest of humanity from advancement.

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Originally posted by Haunted it's all religion. theres no common sense involved when people take a book and say its the literal word of god, with no room for interpretation. they're living in the medieval age and holding back the rest of humanity from advancement.

Do you know what i think? That it is stupid people-not nations-(especially when these "stupid" people hold crucual positions) that hold back humanity form advancement. Stupid people like a relligious leader (e.g. a muslim, a christian one...)or even the evangelists for example...

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Originally posted by Haunted how are Germans held hostage by the holocaust? how do you compare the deaths of soviets (who belonged to a country at WAR with germany) to jews, who were citizens of Germany? theres a difference between the deaths of civilians in a war and genocide. how are Palestinians hostages and victims of Israel? lol, maybe they do it themselves? don't you think? i have a hunch that if they stopped strapping bombs to themselves, things would be okay. use common sense and stop trying to purposely have a different opinion than everyone else. it doesn't make you cool, it just makes you look like a moron.

Germany is held back politically - because there's fear that the rise of Germany will provoke another rise of a dictator. Economically Germany got over this - they paid out billions of dollars in reparations already. Socially, many Germans are still scarred by the fact that people around the world still talk how Germany committed the genocide. German people were scared after WW2, they were told by the world, in a massive campaign to show the brutalities of their countrymen, and many resented being blamed for Nazi crimes. Watch the Judgement at Nuremberg (1962) movie, buddy. The events in Germany after WW2 could have escalated into another resentment of Treaty Of Versailles if it wasnt for the new enemy communism against everyone had to unite to fight it.

Hahaha, I am not the only one who shares these views, there are millions of people around the world who are sick of the bullshit. I am not trying to look cool, I am simply trying to pry open your brainwashed minds. Palestinian people lived on their lands, then Israel came, forced them off the lands, and segregated / opressed them for decades to come. They're still dying in thousands today, many of them live for lord knows how many years in refugee camps. All because of Israel and displacement of over 700,000 of innocent people. Palestinian people will never achieve freedom, rights and equality by pretending to be happy and in peace. Did segregated and disciminated African Americans just sit there and were given rights? Freedom and rights must be fought for, they dont come to people on a silver plate, no wonder why your brainwashed mind has accepted such laws as Patriot Act.

And actually, most of Jews who perished in World War II, were not citizens of Nazi Germany.

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US 'Iran attack plans' revealed USS John C Stennis is being deployed to the Persian Gulf US contingency plans for air strikes on Iran extend beyond nuclear sites and include most of the country's military infrastructure, the BBC has learned. It is understood that any such attack - if ordered - would target Iranian air bases, naval bases, missile facilities and command-and-control centres. The US insists it is not planning to attack, and is trying to persuade Tehran to stop uranium enrichment. The UN has urged Iran to stop the programme or face economic sanctions. But diplomatic sources have told the BBC that as a fallback plan, senior officials at Central Command in Florida have already selected their target sets inside Iran. That list includes Iran's uranium enrichment plant at Natanz. Facilities at Isfahan, Arak and Bushehr are also on the target list, the sources say. Two triggers BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner says the trigger for such an attack reportedly includes any confirmation that Iran was developing a nuclear weapon - which it denies. The Natanz plant is buried under concrete, metal and earth Alternatively, our correspondent adds, a high-casualty attack on US forces in neighbouring Iraq could also trigger a bombing campaign if it were traced directly back to Tehran. Long range B2 stealth bombers would drop so-called "bunker-busting" bombs in an effort to penetrate the Natanz site, which is buried some 25m (27 yards) underground. The BBC's Tehran correspondent France Harrison says the news that there are now two possible triggers for an attack is a concern to Iranians. Authorities insist there is no cause for alarm but ordinary people are now becoming a little worried, she says. Deadline Earlier this month US officials said they had evidence Iran was providing weapons to Iraqi Shia militias. At the time, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said the accusations were "excuses to prolong the stay" of US forces in Iraq. Middle East analysts have recently voiced their fears of catastrophic consequences for any such US attack on Iran. Britain's previous ambassador to Tehran, Sir Richard Dalton, told the BBC it would backfire badly by probably encouraging the Iranian government to develop a nuclear weapon in the long term. Last year Iran resumed uranium enrichment - a process that can make fuel for power stations or, if greatly enriched, material for a nuclear bomb. Tehran insists its programme is for civil use only, but Western countries suspect Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons. The UN Security Council has called on Iran to suspend its enrichment of uranium by 21 February. If it does not, and if the International Atomic Energy Agency confirms this, the resolution says that further economic sanctions will be considered.

US 'Iran attack plans' revealed

Here we go, now we see this news on mainstream sites. There is more and more smoke around US attack on Iran...

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This is very sad news. But kind of expected.

So basically this article said nothing. How many times has an aircraft carrier been deployed to the Persian Gulf where no attacks followed? And of course targets have been selected in Iran. We had targets mapped out for decades in the USSR and Warsaw Pact states and no attack ever followed. If Iran would just be upfront and honest they would have nothing to fear.