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Originally posted by Muff2K the genre itself has exploded, and has a bigger following now than it ever did. but that doesnt mean the quality of the tracks being produced is the same as it once was. thats my whole problem.

Nobody 'killed' Trance.

After Trance was all the rage in 99/00 a lot more people became aware of it and the 'dj' culture -- any kid with a computer and an internet connection became a 'producer' (I won't even touch the "DJ" bit). Tons of garbage was released and labelled 'Trance' in the hopes of cashing in on some of the rising popularity. That, in turn, diminished the perceived quality of the new productions coming out from the more established names within the genre -- 'Trance' had now become a bit of a dirty word. The bigger 'Trance DJs' didn't want to be labeled exclusively as such for fear of future reprise -- some even stayed true to the trance sound but simultaneously tried as hard as possible to not have their tunes (or their DJ sets) labeled as falling under the 'Trance' umbrella. What did this do? Well, it gave the already shitty 'Trance' productions out there even more attention and things seemed to be getting progressively worse. Enter tracks like Rapture and G&D stuff and you had quality productions that had crossover appeal across various genres (including Trance). The 'shitty Trance' producer, not having gained the recognition he/she sought, went on to other things. Now, the more reputable old-school Trance producers changed their outlook - knowing the musical landscape was different and that incorporating some pop/cheese into 'Trance' tracks might work (especially with the decline of Eurodance).

It's hard for producers to consistently churn out high-quality productions at a rate that meets the demand of today's internet age -- the constant wanting of fresh sounds/tracks is to blame. Also, back years ago, if you had a production and wanted recognition you were pretty much restricted to waiting until a big DJ incorporated your track into their set or had a label pick you up. Now, in the digital age, it doesn't take much for people to have access to ANY track they want - reducing the possibility of anyone having an 'illusive white label' that everyone wants to get their hands on. You just can't generate that hype as easily anymore and that affects all of EDM, not just Trance - but that's a whole other topic.

Now you're left with today's situation, where the 'old school' bitch about a time that once was, the 'open-minded' counter saying the sound has 'transformed', and the newbie tells everyone off because nobody dare insult their Trance.

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I have seen these so called "trance is dead" and "who killed trance" threads for years, since 2001 actually, and yet there are still tracks being made, some good and some bad just as it always was, yet it was cool to like trance in 99/00 so much so that even crappy tunes were caned by all types of dj's. Once progressive rolled in and there was a dearth of trance it seemed as if trance was indeed dead, but alas it just took a respite, saved by the same producers (and some new entrants) who put trance on the map. Trance will die when younger generations cease to stop listening, djing and producing tracks. Thats hasn't happened yet and like all genres of music the quality waxes and wanes...

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good point...

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Originally posted by ultrasonicc DJ Mikey Mike killed trance.

Rajib Bin Mahbub killed trance

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Originally posted by Rick Mage ...lol...ok, maybe I exagerated a little bit in saying that Tiesto don't come close to being one of the biggest names...but there are a lot of bid fishes in the sea. What I mean is that he isn't even close to being the only big fish in the sea. Paul fucken Oakenfold??? I don't know how the fuck he became big... lol...And I do believe that there are bigger fishes than both Tiesto or Paul fucken Oakenfold. Uh, I've been out of the house. I've been all over the world. Lived in Germany for 8 years. Been all over Europe. How about you??? Kai Tracid and Talla 2xlc, alone, would school sasha, or tiesto, or ferry corsten. In making music and DJing. btw...If you read the first link to this topic, started by the topic starter, you'll see him asking if Paul fucken Oaken fold or Tiesto started the death of trance. I'm just replying to his question....in which I don't think anyone or two people are that significant in the trance scene. If you think otherwise, maybe it is you that needs to get out of the house more. No need to get your panties all in a bunch.

cool now i agree with u. yea there is alot of other big names but think about how many of them even do trance anymore or havent sold out, that list has definitely diminished. and i have been to europe, i lived in america for 4 years, now i live in australia so dont worry ive been around :P.

paul oakenfold became big because he basically has some of the best edm mix cd's of all time and in his time was a fantastic dj. tiesto is the most well known dj in his genre, that cant be argued im afraid whether u like him or not everybody knows who he is aswell as alot of non trance fans. that doesnt make him necessarily good though (dont get them confused lol). and your right they arent that significant that they could have "killed trance" (btw i dont think trance is actually "dead" but if there wasa cause i think they were apart of it) single handedly but they definitely played a big part in making trance what it is today.

but no, sasha isnt underrated as a dj thats going too far. maybe tiesto and ferry corsten are but i doubt they could be "schooled" by many people.

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Originally posted by siastyle Okay iv hurd the Album and lemmi tell you guyz.... Tiesto is gono make it back to the top again with these hits. The thing about it is that hes trying 2 bring a new style tho just like he did with Just be and it worked. they songs areunt TOO HIGHT up. but the vocals acaully are the best thing in 2007. The Track Carpe Noctum is like traffic but it hink he could of prefected the shit ouf it. but generalllyy its an amazing album...

who gives a fuck? all i care about is jumping up & down with 10000 people next to me, to some down ass dance beat, im happy.

well if the tracks start resembling hit me baby one more time no i am not happy

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Originally posted by siastyle Okay iv hurd the Album and lemmi tell you guyz.... Tiesto is gono make it back to the top again with these hits. The thing about it is that hes trying 2 bring a new style tho just like he did with Just be and it worked. they songs areunt TOO HIGHT up. but the vocals acaully are the best thing in 2007. The Track Carpe Noctum is like traffic but it hink he could of prefected the shit ouf it. but generalllyy its an amazing album...

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Originally posted by noikeee here's a good example of an IQ-dropping discussion. there have been dozens, hundreds of threads like this in the past, yet there are always new people who've missed it and will go all over it yet again. it's almost painful to read.

i'm by no means a new person.


just disappointed in whats happened over the years.

but i guess every scene has it's climax, and then evolution.

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Originally posted by Swamper Nobody 'killed' Trance. After Trance was all the rage in 99/00 a lot more people became aware of it and the 'dj' culture -- any kid with a computer and an internet connection became a 'producer' (I won't even touch the "DJ" bit). Tons of garbage was released and labelled 'Trance' in the hopes of cashing in on some of the rising popularity. That, in turn, diminished the perceived quality of the new productions coming out from the more established names within the genre -- 'Trance' had now become a bit of a dirty word. The bigger 'Trance DJs' didn't want to be labeled exclusively as such for fear of future reprise -- some even stayed true to the trance sound but simultaneously tried as hard as possible to not have their tunes (or their DJ sets) labeled as falling under the 'Trance' umbrella. What did this do? Well, it gave the already shitty 'Trance' productions out there even more attention and things seemed to be getting progressively worse. Enter tracks like Rapture and G&D stuff and you had quality productions that had crossover appeal across various genres (including Trance). The 'shitty Trance' producer, not having gained the recognition he/she sought, went on to other things. Now, the more reputable old-school Trance producers changed their outlook - knowing the musical landscape was different and that incorporating some pop/cheese into 'Trance' tracks might work (especially with the decline of Eurodance). It's hard for producers to consistently churn out high-quality productions at a rate that meets the demand of today's internet age -- the constant wanting of fresh sounds/tracks is to blame. Also, back years ago, if you had a production and wanted recognition you were pretty much restricted to waiting until a big DJ incorporated your track into their set or had a label pick you up. Now, in the digital age, it doesn't take much for people to have access to ANY track they want - reducing the possibility of anyone having an 'illusive white label' that everyone wants to get their hands on. You just can't generate that hype as easily anymore and that affects all of EDM, not just Trance - but that's a whole other topic. Now you're left with today's situation, where the 'old school' bitch about a time that once was, the 'open-minded' counter saying the sound has 'transformed', and the newbie tells everyone off because nobody dare insult their Trance.

This is exactly right. Trance is not dead, there are still mint tracks today just like there was in the old days. However, today its a numbers game. Back then people didn't have the access to music they have today and there were not as many "producers" around, it was mostly serious people not Average Joe and his computer. There are probably 40 or more trance "producers" now for every one there was back in 1996. So you have to dig through a lot more shit to find the diamonds than you did back then. Now you can download every shit track from the internet whereas back then you didn't realy hear a track unless it was good enough to become popular. And I don't think some of the radio shows now help either. I believe there are quite a few tracks that are utter shit getting hammered just because the artist or producer is part of the DJs label.

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