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Originally posted by Dr. DAS I agree that abolishing last call would be the best thng to happen for all parties concerned, but I also agree it's not going to happen. Not anytimje soon, anyways.

Abolishing last call on the surface may look to be good for all parties involved but there will be extra costs that will have to be incurred by the clubs which will be passed onto the customers. The cost to get insurance will sky rocket as the business becomes a bigger risk.....assuming the business can even afford the insurance anymore.

Univeristy students will spend all their OSAP money at the bars even quicker then they do now....meaning they will either have to ask mommy and daddy for money or will have to drop out of school. Now the parents are either having to support their kids while in school or the kids get depressed because they can't go to school, have become alcoholics because of all the drinking, can't find a job because they are not qualified for any job they would be interested in. They can't pay back the government the money they owe them which then causes the Government to go further in Debt and then they raise our taxes which means we all have to dish out more money. Then all of Canada gets pissed off and revolts against the government sending us into anarchy....all this from taking away last call....just doesn't seem worth it.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Univeristy students will spend all their OSAP money at the bars even quicker then they do now....meaning they will either have to ask mommy and daddy for money or will have to drop out of school. Now the parents are either having to support their kids while in school or the kids get depressed because they can't go to school, have become alcoholics because of all the drinking, can't find a job because they are not qualified for any job they would be interested in. They can't pay back the government the money they owe them which then causes the Government to go further in Debt and then they raise our taxes which means we all have to dish out more money. Then all of Canada gets pissed off and revolts against the government sending us into anarchy....all this from taking away last call....just doesn't seem worth it.

Talk about your fatalists...

Not much hope for the future then, is there?

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Abolishing last call on the surface may look to be good for all parties involved but there will be extra costs that will have to be incurred by the clubs which will be passed onto the customers. The cost to get insurance will sky rocket as the business becomes a bigger risk.....assuming the business can even afford the insurance anymore.

Should this really be one of the deciding factors whether to abolish last call or not ???

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Univeristy students will spend all their OSAP money at the bars even quicker then they do now....meaning they will either have to ask mommy and daddy for money or will have to drop out of school. Now the parents are either having to support their kids while in school or the kids get depressed because they can't go to school, have become alcoholics because of all the drinking, can't find a job because they are not qualified for any job they would be interested in. They can't pay back the government the money they owe them which then causes the Government to go further in Debt and then they raise our taxes which means we all have to dish out more money. Then all of Canada gets pissed off and revolts against the government sending us into anarchy....all this from taking away last call....just doesn't seem worth it.

WOW!!! lol.

Should have just said

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS People aren't smart enough to handle absolute freedom.

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Originally posted by Zentac_75 Should this really be one of the deciding factors whether to abolish last call or not ???

If the cost of a beer went from $5.00 to $20.00 because you got rid of last call then I think you would think twice about abolishing it.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced If the cost of a beer went from $5.00 to $20.00 because you got rid of last call then I think you would think twice about abolishing it.

I'm sure you back up a statement like that. How do we know that it would affect insurance rates? How does this increase liability? If someone is going to drink and drive at 3am, they'll do it at 5am just the same. If anything, I would think it gives people to option to gradually maintain thier buzz, instead of getting blinding drunk so they keep it going until they leave. Smartserve rules would still apply here.

To those who have partied in lands without last call, is there a huge difference in the price of alcohol?

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced If the cost of a beer went from $5.00 to $20.00 because you got rid of last call then I think you would think twice about abolishing it.

True (is that what would actually happen ????), but why isn't beer $20 in most other parts of the world that do not have a last call.

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Originally posted by Zentac_75 True (is that what would actually happen ????), but why isn't beer $20 in most other parts of the world that do not have a last call.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS To those who have partied in lands without last call, is there a huge difference in the price of alcohol?

Actually the alcohol in Belgian clubs is a HELL OF A LOT CHEAPER than alcohol here. And there is no last call, and people are way more responsible when it comes to drinking and driving than here. The number of times I have gone out here and seen people that were completely wasted get behind the wheel after knocking back drinks in super quick succession because they wanted to maintain the buzz till 3 (and ended up overdoing it) is insane. And i'm not talking about people i know either! I've been to Docks and a few other top 40 clubs recently and this happens all the time!

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS Go live in North Korea and then tell me about our lack of freedoms. Freedom isn't absolute, it can't be. People aren't smart enough to handle absolute freedom. Imagine if there were no controls on driver's licences. Sure, we'd be even more free, but consider the impact THAT would have on our society. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you don't like our systems, nobody is forcing you to live here.

By balancing the freedoms of all we attain a just society... I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Canada was never meant to be a free society, it was meant to be a just society - meaning based on the principle of justice.... get it now... we're in agreement.... nood your head.... there, that's better.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard By balancing the freedoms of all we attain a just society... I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Canada was never meant to be a free society, it was meant to be a just society - meaning based on the principle of justice.... get it now... we're in agreement.... nood your head.... there, that's better.

*Nods acquiescingly*

I read that as 'just a society', not 'just society'.

Wow, I do feel better. Feel free to re-direct my barbs to someone else.

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Originally posted by Zentac_75 True (is that what would actually happen ????), but why isn't beer $20 in most other parts of the world that do not have a last call.

I cannot say with any certainty that the price of alcohol served in a bar would rise; however, it is probable. As Scott pointed out... the cost of host liability insurance would increase with extended serving hours because extended service = greater risk (actuaries have already established this and it is presently factored into host liability rates). I cannot speculate the amount that premiums would increase though, I'm not an underwriter or actuary... they would have to figure that out.

As far as the cost of alcohol in other areas of the world goes... you can't make a simple comparison like that.
First, the province and the feds both levy heafty taxes on alcohol.... essentially 60% of the cost of a bottle of booze is tax, this is why it is so much cheaper to buy a 60 pounder in the US (who also tax alcohol but to a lesser extent).
Second - the social conditions in many areas that do not have last call are vastly different then they are here... many of these places do not have the same litigious society or case law stating that a tavern can be held legally liable for the actions of intoxicated patrons. In these areas it is not necessary to have host liability insurance as the tavern cannot be sued anyway.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down