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Originally posted by Aesthetic lol sunrise.. myth busted? you werent around in ancient times dumb ass, you can never know for sure who built the pyramids

Dude look at my sig, I'm all down with time travel. idiot... pfft sony fanboys

and back then especially, people were massive on their gods. They would do anything to honor them, and seek their approval. the pyramids and the statues would be for and of the gods, not themselves. yet this is not the case.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i am far more concerned with the negative effects of religious indoctrination than i am about the question of god's existence (or lack thereof).

same - i think religion is a sham and created by men to rule/confuse men.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN oh jesus. hey scotty, could i interest you in a koolaide stand? i dont know a great deal about crop circles but i haven't seen any evidence to suggest aliens made them i will generally refer to the prohibitive size of the universe and the very real problem of faster than light travel as serious concerns for anyone believing in ET visits.

do some homewrok mate - waaay too many things evident that noone has been able to explain.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN oh come on scotty. that's just ridiculous. just because we might not know exactly how the pyramids were built is not reason enough to go off hunting for ET, considering that there is precisely ZERO evidence that aliens built the pyramids.

There is more evidence to say we couldn't do it, thats the problem.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN but they didn't. at no site have i been able to find evidence that they understood that each day was 24 hrs and 4-seconds which we take into account with our leap years.

click here

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN the mayan calendar is merely a time-keeping device that happens to end on 21 december, ummmm big deal. i have already shown you that the concept of planet alignment is a myth, so i fail to see the importance of their calendar ending on that day, any more than i see the importance of ours ending on december 31st.

not planetary aligment mang, galactic alignment and i have also seen similar programs show it to be true (im at work now but will look for it again when i get home) Im not saying i think the end is nigh or anything like it - just that something might be up

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Sorry, but I don't have the human gene that makes me correlate facts that have no evidence to connect them I think youre trying to connect some very sloppy dots with some even sloppier assumptions. Not as sloppy as your mum, but sloppy all the same.

My point is that there is a lot out there to suggest that something we dont understand is going on, i dont walk around waiting to meet aliens or proclaiming they made us etc etc, simply that there is a great deal our modern day science can't explain.

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Originally posted by sunrise3500 You don't need to know the value of PI to have yourself a circle now do you? There's a lot of ways to do it and get the same result. Pen and paper (or payrus) isn't the only way.

dude - the pyramids are built based on pi - not the cirles lol.

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Originally posted by sunrise3500 If the egyptians really did have alien help, then surely the aliens would have been seen as gods and there'd be drawings of them all over the place to honor them... why not some statues for them too? No, they were all of themselves. Hail to the king baby! Myth, BUSTED.

funny that a civilastion the left drawings of absolutely everything they EVER did left no dawings of building pyramids.

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Originally posted by batemanscott click here

thanks for that. interesting read. though i am unsure how this works

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We can therefore derive a value for the Mayan estimate of the year by dividing 1,101,600 by 365, subtracting 2, and taking that number and dividing 1,101,600 by the result, which gives us an answer of 365.242036 days, which is slightly more accurate than the 365.2425 days of the Gregorian calendar.

why subtract 2?

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Originally posted by batemanscott not planetary aligment mang, galactic alignment

but galactic alignment is irrelevant. it certainly has no effect on our gravitational relationship with the sun or anything else.

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Originally posted by batemanscott My point is that there is a lot out there to suggest that something we dont understand is going on, i dont walk around waiting to meet aliens or proclaiming they made us etc etc, simply that there is a great deal our modern day science can't explain.

yes, which is why we must wait for the day to come that science CAN explain it. its similar to the old "god of the gaps" - where humankind would typically reference god when current knowledge could not explain something.

reason and rationality should just accept that there are answers we may never know, and fantastically implausible notions should require a correspondingly fantastic amount of evidence to support them.

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Originally posted by batemanscott funny that a civilastion the left drawings of absolutely everything they EVER did left no dawings of building pyramids.

funny they left no drawings of the aliens either.

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in the scheme of the existense of the human - 5000 years out of 3 million isnt really that much - so the anamoly of a civilisation that did some cool shit that we cant quite explain down to a T (although i though it was pretty much worked out now anyway) - isnt that amazing.

If the pyramids were create 500,000 to a million years ago then id start to feel amazed - but our brains really havent evolved that much in only 5000 years - we just stand on the shoulders of past generations giants

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Originally posted by Light The Fuse in the scheme of the existense of the human - 5000 years out of 3 million isnt really that much - so the anamoly of a civilisation that did some cool shit that we cant quite explain down to a T (although i though it was pretty much worked out now anyway) - isnt that amazing. If the pyramids were create 500,000 to a million years ago then id start to feel amazed - but our brains really havent evolved that much in only 5000 years - we just stand on the shoulders of past generations giants

when jules is sober and not talking about music, he makes perfect, 100% sense!!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN no offence, but i dont think you know what either of those words mean. evolutionary theory is neither dogma nor rhetoric (by ANY stretch of the imagination)

how is evolutionary theory NOT dogmatic?? it's a system that was created by science and that a vast amount of science works on. and you're spewing some pretty lovely rhetoric in defence of your beliefs, aren't you...

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absolute nonsense. nothing could be further than the truth. the difference being that scientists dont start with an answer and work backwards, and they also modify or EVOLVE their theories as new evidence is revealed.

pretty sure i mentioned hypotheses. that is starting from belifs and searching to make it true.

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religion HAS NO EVIDENCE. its not the same fucking thing. no, really.

just because it doesn't use empirical proof doesn't mean it's not valid! that's the entire point about extremism! only an extremist such as yourself would get so rialed up about a friendly conversation-- i never said it wasn't true. i said it was true. i said it wasn't the ONLY true, and that science's truth isn't 100% infallible truth. that was my point. but you're getting so excited because somebody is questioning your religion

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so? religion doesn't answer a single question, so what's your point?

religion answers every question! not scientifically!!!!!!!! my point is that science is more arrogant than religion, and that makes people who pretend to know everyting, whereas in religion, at least people just go "God made it so".. lol

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where has science claimed that? scientists are the first people to say "we don't know" and normally that's the first step in a journey of discovery.

this is true in theory. i agree people look at something and say i wonder why that works and then try and figure it out: good things

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so, explain computers, electricity, travelling to the moon/mars, mathematic proofs, medicines, the automobile, huge structures made of steel and concrete etc etc etc etc.

works of far smarter people than you or I. These are creations of individuals that build a certain society. I think they're awesome: doesn't mean i understand how they're done, so how can i praise that? those are single events anyways, not science itself.

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luckily you're not the only scientist on the planet investigating those questions then isn't it? unless of course you're going to argue that there is one massive scientific conspiracy aimed at falsifying evidence for *insert stupid reason here* ? how do you explain scientific consensus?

I mentioned the interpretation of stats. figures speak a truth, people speak what they believe the truth to be. maybe that's as good as it gets.

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no, the "in thing" is to doubt scientific validity without having the first reason to do so.

i doubt people who don't know what scientific validity is, and claim science as the epitome of humanity. it's true that science claims to be open-minded, but it's only open minded to things within it's own structure! as you are displaying. you try and judge religion on sciences terms! LOL if you don't understand that religion and science are DIFERENT, and so cannot be judged by the same values, then you really are a lay-scientist.

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it has nothing to do with cynicism. it has to do with this "new agey" mantra that's become popular for the ignorant to doubt rigorous peer-review and insurmountable evidence and mathematical proof in favour of....well im not so sure exactly. empty rhetoric? yeah, that'll do. people are free to think whatever they wish, just as i am free to pass commentary on it. if you wanna deny a particular scientific endeavour, then pull our your bunsen burner and microscope and go prove something wrong, or change a theory for the better. until then you're merely pissing into the wind.

the point I was making is that science isn't the be all and end all of truth. it never even says anything is true, really. falsifiability is what makes science work, but also makes me dislike it. never really heard anyone diss science, personally.. i'm sure i'm ignorant on the intricate workings, but that's why i never said science doesn't work. all i said, is there is more, and there are things science doesn't answer, but science does NOT admit that. i also questioned scientific method only so far as it compared to things that AREN'T scientific. you CAN'T measure God (if it exists.) I'm not abandoning it, i'm saying that people should keep their fucking minds open.

and it's people who aren't scientists, who know nothing about science, but claim to BE scientists that are my main point of irritation. people who don't work in any scientific capacity, people who have never studied science beyond a few documentaries, or a quick thumb through the latest New Science, but dare to deny anything except what they're given from the dogmatic rhetoric of people in the field.

thank you and good-morning.

what batemen said as well: until there has been PROOF that aliens DON't exist, the theory is true, isn't it?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN yes, which is why we must wait for the day to come that science CAN explain it. its similar to the old "god of the gaps" - where humankind would typically reference god when current knowledge could not explain something. reason and rationality should just accept that there are answers we may never know, and fantastically implausible notions should require a correspondingly fantastic amount of evidence to support them.

+1
also, concur about religion being shit-- still want to distinguish original texts, and modern interpretations. i like the bible, pretty good read, and if you wanna read, or understand any media, worth a read (gets referenced directly or not in pretty much everything)..
most of the rules that people hate religion for though, aren't in the bible: some of them are even blatant hypocrises on behalf of the church that made them: catholics are all over it: displaying christ, sin. creation of seven deadly sins, sin

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN funny they left no drawings of the aliens either.

what if they were there before the egyptians?