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DigiNut
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quote:
Originally posted by Skipper
I guess it's more the fact that he hasn't explicitly stated in this campaign what his views on it are.

I suppose that's a valid concern. Maybe I heard what I wanted to hear, but to me, saying that you have no position on something generally means you're not interested in the issue. If you asked me what my position was on, say, faecophilia, I think I'd give a similar answer ("Uhhh... I don't have one?").

He probably should make it more clear than that. Although even if he commits to leaving them alone, that doesn't guarantee they'll be left alone. Campaign promises...


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quote:
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Although even if he commits to leaving them alone, that doesn't guarantee they'll be left alone. Campaign promises...


I know, but abortion is a biggie. That's not something you promise to leave as is and then put it to vote and hope your government ever gets elected again. If he explicitly promised to leave it alone and then went to vote on it, it would be a long time before the conservatives were in power again. That's why I want to hear outright what his stance is.

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Yohan
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quote:
Originally posted by Skipper
I know, but abortion is a biggie. That's not something you promise to leave as is and then put it to vote and hope your government ever gets elected again. If he explicitly promised to leave it alone and then went to vote on it, it would be a long time before the conservatives were in power again. That's why I want to hear outright what his stance is.

I'm not sure if Harper even wants to touch gay marriage and abortion despite what his personal beliefs are, because these two issues are something that a lot of conservatives are for, and it really opens the door for liberals and other 'left wing' parties to portray him as right wing fundamentalist christian nut which will take away a lot of 'moderate' votes that he worked so hard to get.

Even if he wins majority and reverse gay marriage and abortion, these two issues will be something that will come up again the election after, and I don't think Harper wants to play with this fire


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DigiNut
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quote:
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I know, but abortion is a biggie. That's not something you promise to leave as is and then put it to vote and hope your government ever gets elected again. If he explicitly promised to leave it alone and then went to vote on it, it would be a long time before the conservatives were in power again. That's why I want to hear outright what his stance is.

This is true, although I think he'd be eaten alive anyway if he tried to open an abortion debate, regardless of any pre-campaign promises he did or didn't make.

If Bush didn't touch it, I doubt that Harper will. Just my opinion though.


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I'm pretty sure that Harper is personally against abortion and gay-marriage. But he doesn't seem to care at all about them as political issues. He held the re-vote on gay marriage specifically to make his hard-line conservative base happy, and has never once taken up abortion as an issue he wants to tackle. Harper is smarter than to even MENTION making a change on either issue when he sees much more important political goals that need to be achieved (like abolishing the senate and elected supreme court judges).


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I heard the debate is the same night as the US VP debate, but when is that?

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Liberals pulling out all the stops - the market didn't buy it though - very little movement in income trusts today after the announcement.

It'll be interesting to watch him try to defend this one in the debate...

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Liberals vow to scrap tax on trusts
Dion retools campaign to focus more on economy with pledge to resuscitate investment vehicle popular among older voters
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STEVEN CHASE
From Monday's Globe and Mail
September 22, 2008 at 3:54 AM EDT
OTTAWA — Stéphane Dion's Liberals are promising to scrap the Harper government's hefty tax on income trusts as they release their campaign platform today, a pledge that offers a potential new lease on life for an investment vehicle much beloved by older voters.

The Liberals hope a full costing of their promises will help counter Conservative attacks that have succeeded in raising questions about whether they are unsound fiscal managers who would drive the country into deficit as the economy worsens.

"A Liberal government will never put Canada into deficit. Period," party spokesman Mark Dunn said yesterday.

The platform release comes as the Liberals retool their campaign, scaling back emphasis on their controversial Green Shift carbon tax in favour of a focus on the ailing economy and moving Leader Mr. Dion into the background while front-bench MPs such as Bob Rae and Ralph Goodale take the lead.

New polling for The Globe and Mail and CTV in closely fought ridings shows the Liberals are failing to gain traction as Conservative support strengthens or holds. The anti-Tory vote remains heavily fractured among opposition parties instead of coalescing behind Mr. Dion as Liberals might have hoped.

First floated in 2007, the Liberal promise to revive the income-trust market offers voters a clear alternative that starkly contrasts with what the Conservatives have on offer.

"The fact we've written it in the platform in black and white means we're serious," said Liberal MP John McCallum, a former bank economist who helped price his party's 2008 platform.

The pledge holds out a potential stay of execution for a lucrative investment option popular among those saving for retirement. It is one that lost substantial appeal after the Tory government slapped a surprise tax on income trusts in October of 2006.

Plus, Liberals say, they believe that scrapping the tax could substantially lift the market values of income trusts, helping restore much of what investors lost in late 2006 after panic over the surprise levy drove down the value of the vehicles.

"Our experts tell us this change in policy [would] restore two-thirds of the value that was lost as a consequence of the [Harper] government's move," Mr. McCallum said.

He added he cannot guarantee that all that market value would reappear, but said he believes a "good proportion" would return under a proposal that offers a future for trusts without the Tory tax.

That assumes, however, that investors are still holding units of the same income trusts they had before the Tory levy.

The Liberals are fond of their pledge, though, because it reminds voters that the Conservatives broke a 2006 election promise to avoid taxing trusts.

The year before the tax was announced, about one million people in Canada owned trusts directly and millions held them through mutual funds, according to industry testimony before a Senate committee.

The levy, 34 per cent declining over time to about 28 per cent, was applied to new trusts and was to be applied to existing trusts in 2011.

The aim was to collect tax revenue from trusts that the Conservative government believed was not being otherwise recouped because these vehicles paid little, if any, under previous rules.

Specifically, the Liberals are proposing replacing the Tory tax with a much smaller 10-per-cent levy that is refundable for domestic investors but not foreigners. Mr. McCallum said the Liberals believe there is far less "tax leakage" from trusts than the Tories say there is because investors are eventually taxed on returns when they sell units.

Should the Liberals win office, their pledge would substantially lower the effective rate of taxation on existing trusts and mean potentially richer returns for trust investors because these businesses pass on most of their earnings in the form of dividends.

But it is not certain that the Liberals would allow new trusts to be created in every sector.

The party says few, if any, trusts are starting up today and should it win office, it would maintain what amounts to a de facto moratorium on new trusts until after consultations to decide which industrial sectors would be allowed to create them.

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lol. moves the party leader into 'background'

more emphasis on economy and less on enviro plans

honestly. are the Fiberals run by retards and finally figured this out? retooling like this in the middle of campaign... not a good sign

one way or another, Dion's day as Fiberal leader is over, because I don't think the Con-servatives can be caught up now.


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It'll be interesting to watch him try to defend this one in the debate...


that's if you can understand what he'll be saying.


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when is this tv debate anyways?


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lol colour me retarded

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The only way this election interests me is that it'll be the first time i get to vote in a Canadian election from Croatia

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Yohan
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A bit too ambitious of a platform, but NDP strategists know how to get votes. Love how the Libs got pretty much ignored

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...y/politics/home

quote:
NDP platform pledges billions for child care



OMAR EL AKKAD

Globe and Mail Update and Canadian Press

September 28, 2008 at 2:47 PM EDT

TORONTO — NDP leader Jack Layton has made child care the centrepiece of the New Democratic Party's 2008 election campaign platform, the majority of which the party plans to pay for by hiking corporate tax rates.

The single largest expenditure in the NDP's multibillion-dollar platform is a new monthly cheque of up to $400 that would replace three existing child benefits. It will cost $500-million in 2009, double for the next two years and then more than double to $4.4-billion by 2012.

Under the program, the NDP says every family will continue to get the so-called "baby bonus" cheques of $100 a month under a program started by the Conservatives. But families with a net income less than $188,000 a year will qualify for a benefit of about $250 a month. Families with a net income of less than $38,000 will qualify for a benefit of $400 a month by the time the program is fully implemented.

The party would also raise the age cut-off for the baby bonus from six to 18. Unlike the Conservative bonus, the NDP money won't be taxed.

As virtually every major federal party has done, the NDP promises not to run a deficit.

The platform is the culmination of Mr. Layton's overriding campaign strategy: to present himself as the only alternative to a Conservative government whose only priority would be corporate tax cuts.

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I love Taliban Jack and his 'peace dividend'. I almost puked

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“The only party that can stop Stephen Harper while defending the environment is clearly the Bloc Quebecois,” Mr. Duceppe said.

C'mon Gilles. You're a smart man. You know better than to sound like the Fiberals!


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