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Alex
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I seem to remember Palin stating that the role of the VP was supreme overlord ruler from hell of the Senate. Maybe I don't know the difference between the declaration of independence and the constitution.


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The17sss
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quote:
Originally posted by josh4
Oooo this is going to be good. If neither one backs down they could cause the party to faction OR if one of them apologizes it will be hilarious no matter which one!


And, Rush's response to Steele in full context. Brutal. Steele should take this as constructive criticism IMO:

quote:
Okay, so I am an entertainer, and I have 20 million listeners, 22 million listeners because of my great song-and-dance routines here. Yes, said Michael Steele, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, I'm incendiary, and yes, it's ugly. Michael Steele, you are head of the RNC. You are not head of the Republican Party. Tens of millions of conservatives and Republicans have nothing to do with the RNC and right now they want nothing to do with it, and when you call them asking them for money, they hang up on you.

I hope that changes. I hope the RNC will get its act together. I hope the RNC chairman will realize he's not a talking head pundit, that he is supposed to be working on the grassroots and rebuilding it, and maybe doing something about our open primary system and fixing it so that Democrats do not nominate our candidates. It's time, Mr. Steele, for you to go behind the scenes and start doing the work that you were elected to do instead of trying to be some talking head media star, which you're having a tough time pulling off. I hope you figure out how to run a primary system. But it seems to me that it's Michael Steele who is off to a shaky start.

My parents taught me when I was growing up that you always stood behind people who defended you, you never abandoned people who stood up for you and who defended you against assault. Michael Steele was a candidate for the Senate in Maryland. Michael Steele was on this program, he got airtime on this program to attempt to refute the lies being told about him by Michael J. Fox in those famous ads way back when that were also run against Jim Talent in Missouri. I personally took time to defend Michael Steele and to rip the substance of those ads, had him on the show. I went after Chuck Schumer when Chuck Schumer's former employee stole Michael Steele's private credit record information and released it. When I went to Washington a couple years ago for a personal appearance from my station there, WMAL, WMAL arranged for a number of dignitaries to meet me backstage. One of them was Michael Steele, who thanked me very much for coming to his defense. Something's happened. Now I'm just an entertainer and now I am ugly and my program is incendiary.

Michael Steele has been around long enough to know that the liberal media will use him by twisting what I say or what others say. He took the bait, he bit down hard on the bait, he launched an attack on me even though the premise of what was said to him was false. He took the bait and he went for it. Now, Mr. Steele, if it is your position as the chairman of the Republican National Committee that you want a left wing Democrat president and a left wing Democrat Congress to succeed in advancing their agenda, if it's your position that you want President Obama and Speaker Pelosi and Senate Leader Harry Reid to succeed with their massive spending and taxing and nationalization plans, I think you have some explaining to do.

Why are you running the Republican Party? Why do you claim you lead the Republican Party when you seem obsessed with seeing to it that President Obama succeeds? I frankly am stunned that the chairman of the Republican National Committee endorses such an agenda. I have to conclude that he does because he attacks me for wanting it to fail.

This isn't complicated stuff here, folks. It's difficult to organize the defeat of Obama and the Democrat Congress in 2012, if we want to. It's going to be difficult enough, but on one hand it shouldn't be difficult at all. But it's going to be really hard, Mr. Steele, if you, as the chairman of the RNC, want Obama to succeed. Where does the Republican Party go if you, who are supposed to be redesigning our primary system and helping reestablish our grassroots movement, how are we going to retake elective office if you want this agenda of Obama's and Pelosi's and Reid's to succeed. My colleagues in talk radio can attest to this next point. We get press release after press release after press release from the Republican National Committee attacking the Democrat agenda. They send us points of refutation. I never use them 'cause I don't need them. But they send out all these points of refutation about how this part of what Dingy Harry wants or Pelosi wants is wrong, is wrong, is wrong. Why are you sending out these things, Mr. Steele? Why is your office sending out all these talking points to defeat the Democrat agenda in Congress if your position is you want it to succeed? And I don't understand why you're asking Republicans to donate to the Republican National Committee if their money is going to be spent furthering the agenda of Barack Obama.

If we don't want Obama and Reid and Pelosi to fail, then why does the RNC exist, Mr. Steele? Why are you even raising money? What do you want from us? If I want Obama and Democrats to succeed, I suppose we should be sending the RNC donations? You know, these people, it's a bizarre discussion to have because there's a news story on this, on this feud now between me and Michael Steele. And listen to this. This is a quote from RNC spokesman, Alex Conant, I'm not sure how he pronounces his last name. "The feud between radio host Rush and Rahm makes great political theater, but it is a sideshow to the important work going on in Washington. RNC Chairman Michael Steele and elected Republicans are focused on fighting for reform and winning elections. The Democrats' problem is that the American people are growing skeptical of the massive government spending being pushed by congressional leaders like [House Speaker] Nancy Pelosi."

Mr. Steele, your spokesman sounds like the RNC wants 'em to fail, to me. You're opposing 'em. You say the American people are growing weary of it, getting suspicious of it. But it's not just Pelosi's spending. It's Obama's. Where are your guts? Why can't you tie Obama to these policies? They're his! Where are your guts?

Snerdley, they don't want me doing the dirty work because when I go out there and, quote, unquote, do the dirty work, they try to cut me off at the knees for doing so. The point is, when you read that statement from Alex Conant, they're opposed to the Obama agenda, too. They're just too gutless to say so, and they get frightened when they hear the words, "I want Obama to fail." "Oh, no, no, no, we can't be associated with that." Yet you're sending out all these talking points designed to help people explain to other people why the Obama agenda is wrong. So I think it's bizarre. They put out statements and press releases damning Obama and Pelosi policies and they object when somebody like me says he doesn't want them to succeed.

One other thing. Mr. Steele, if you want to lead the Republican Party, as you say you do, then you need to run for and win the presidency. You are chairman of the Republican National Committee. That is your job. To run the Republican establishment bureaucracy and prove you can defeat Democrats and elect Republicans, to come up with a new primary system that eliminates Democrats participating in ours and choosing our candidates and getting the grassroots revved up again. This is how you're going to be measured, not by how entertaining or cute you are on talk shows. By the same token, I'm not in charge of the Republican Party, and I don't want to be. I would be embarrassed to say that I'm in charge of the Republican Party in the sad-sack state that it's in. If I were chairman of the Republican Party, given the state that it's in, I would quit.

We don't care, first and foremost, about the success of the Republican Party. We care about the United States of America and its future, because we cherish it and love it, and we know what it is that made it the greatest nation on earth, and we don't hear you articulating that you understand that, not just you, Mr. Steele, but hardly anybody else in Washington, DC. So send those fundraising requests out, and, by the way, when you send those fundraising requests out, Mr. Steele, make sure you say, "We want Obama to succeed." So people understand your compassion. Republicans, conservatives, are sick and tired of being talked down to, sick and tired of being lectured to, and until you show some understanding and respect for who they are, you're going to have a tough time rebuilding your party.


Ugh... it's gettin' hot in here! Sorry Michael Steele, but the truth hurts.

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Lebezniatnikov
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quote:
Originally posted by The17sss
Did you condemn Joe Biden for gaffe-tastically blowing the quesiton of the VP's role as defined by the constitution during his debate with Palin?


Yes, but at least it wasn't the same mistake as Cheney.

There's still a fundamental difference between a mistake in the moment and in prepared remarks, don't you agree?


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Lebezniatnikov
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quote:
Originally posted by Alex
I seem to remember Palin stating that the role of the VP was supreme overlord ruler from hell of the Senate. Maybe I don't know the difference between the declaration of independence and the constitution.


Yeah, I think she said the VP passes legislation in Congress... definitely another Palin cringeworthy moment.


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The17sss
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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Yes, but at least it wasn't the same mistake as Cheney.

There's still a fundamental difference between a mistake in the moment and in prepared remarks, don't you agree?


I understand what you're saying, yes, but Rush's time slot was for 20 minutes. The speech was 90 minutes... the vast majority was not prepared.

As to the point about Cheney, this is what I understand about it: he pointed out that the Vice President gets defined in the Constitution in both Article I and Article II, making the office part of both branches of the federal government. His argument that this gave him some sort of immunity from producing documents was absurd, but his reading of the Constitution was absolutely correct which is more than one can say for Biden... The VP belongs to both the executive and the legislative branches of government, and has almost no power in either, but still gets defined in the Constitution as a member of both branches.

Is that what you meant? Were you referring to Cheney trying to play the immunity card?

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The17sss
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Well, that didn't take long.

Michael Steele to Rush: I'm sorry

quote:
“My intent was not to go after Rush – I have enormous respect for Rush Limbaugh,” Steele said in a telephone interview. “I was maybe a little bit inarticulate. …

There was no attempt on my part to diminish his voice or his leadership.”

“I went back at that tape and I realized words that I said weren’t what I was thinking,” Steele said.

“He brings a very important message to the American people to wake up and pay attention to what the administration is doing,” Steele said. “Number two, there are those out there who want to look at what he’s saying as incendiary and divisive and ugly. That’s what I was trying to say. It didn’t come out that way.

He does what he does best, which is provoke: He provokes thought, he provokes the left. And they’re clearly the ones who are most excited about him.”

Asked if he planned to apologize, Steele said: “I wasn’t trying to offend anybody. So, yeah, if he’s offended, I’d say: Look, I’m not in the business of hurting people’s feelings here. My job is to try to bring us all together.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19517.html

If anyone missed Rush's statement to Steele today "pre-apology", I posted it a little earlier. Scroll up to read.

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josh4
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quote:
Originally posted by The17sss
Well, that didn't take long.

Michael Steele to Rush: I'm sorry


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19517.html

If anyone missed Rush's statement to Steele today "pre-apology", I posted it a little earlier. Scroll up to read.




What's great about this is that its good for Rush, not good for Republicans. His statement to Steele was all me, me, me, just like his speech. So Steele is no doubt going to slip into obscurity now. But wasn't the whole point of electing him to give the party a fresh face?

This will further play into the Democrats narrative that Limbaugh is the defacto GOP leader. It will put pressure on the media to get Republicans to denounce Rush, which none of them will do now. So we'll have Rush saying he wants the president to fail, Democrats tying his words to the whole party's beliefs, and the public assuming Republicans believe it because they won't stand up to him.

I tell you again Rush is damning any chances Republicans have of getting out of this mess.

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The17sss
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His statement to Steele was all me, me, me, just like his speech.


Well, when one is defending oneself from an "attack" (for lack of a better term), one typically speaks in the first person. But, it wasn't all about ME ME ME... it was quite a bit about Steele and the weak GOP leadership.

Nicole Wallace articulates "the point" nicely:
quote:
When it comes to Obama’s constant finger-wagging, Rush Limbaugh had it right. We elected a president, not a founding father.

The most important thing Rush Limbaugh said Saturday night has escaped notice by the mainstream media. The clip that’s running in a constant loop on cable television includes Limbaugh’s comment about wanting “any force, any person, any element of an overarching Big Government that would stop your success. . . to fail.”

White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel made a clever attempt to distort those comments by suggesting that Republicans are rooting for the country’s failure, but most people outside the beltway will simply be puzzled that the White House is engaged in a debate with Limbaugh at all. I can’t imagine George Bush or Andy Card in a debate with Keith Olberman, and I find the entire White House obsession with conservative media personalities like Limbaugh and Sean Hannity bizarre.

The real news that Limbaugh made was that he put his finger on Obama’s “original sin”—the error that will ultimately lead to the Democrats’ demise if Republicans can get their act together and begin a more basic philosophical debate about the role of government in people’s lives. “All politicians,” Limbaugh said, “including President Obama, are temporary stewards of this nation. It is not their task to remake the founding of this country. It is not their task to tear it apart and rebuild it in their image.”

If Americans turn their backs on Obama, and at this point that looks unlikely but possible if the economy continues in its downward spiral, it will be because he tried to remake America in his own image. We didn’t sign up for a new founding father. We did not abandon our belief that despite our imperfections, America is the solution—not the problem—to every challenge facing the people in this country and, in many cases, the world. Most of us did not come to the same conclusion Obama did that America behaved badly and now we are being punished. Most of us love this country for the opportunity she provides. We love her for the decency of her people. And we believe that our president’s job is to cheer her on not talk her down.

When we turn on the television and see this gifted young leader scolding us and sending the successful and prosperous people of this country to detention, many of us scratch our heads. Who does he think is going to do the hiring and the growing and the building and the paying of the taxes? If Obama continues to paint all the job creators in this country with the same broad brush that he used last week when he condemned the greedy and the corrupt for their bad behavior, America’s recovery will be a long time coming. He seems to forget that we have a system in place for people who break the law. The people who defrauded investors and scammed unwitting homebuyers will be punished. But the vast majority of business owners and job creators are decent and honest, and their success is vital if we are to re-enter a period of economic expansion in this country.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-...us-mr-president

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Alex
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As far as I'm concerned, let Rush be the voice of Conservatism and the Republican party.

They will lose the moderates time and time again.


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quote:
Originally posted by Alex
As far as I'm concerned, let Rush be the voice of Conservatism and the Republican party.

They will lose the moderates time and time again.



Honestly I still have my fingers crossed it will be Palin.


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As far as I'm concerned, let Rush be the voice of Conservatism and the Republican party.

They will lose the moderates time and time again.


Exactly. Rush Limbaugh embodies the reason behind the loss of Republicans; his all-or-nothing attitude. Most Republicans aren't ultra-conservative, far-right wingers and the more they come to associate the Republican party with being just that the more people will associate their candidates as being the same. He's definitely a "polarizing figure" for the Republican party in one sense; he whips up the half of the party that is just like him into a jubilant fury and alienates and disenfranchises the other.

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quote:
Originally posted by Alex
As far as I'm concerned, let Rush be the voice of Conservatism and the Republican party.

They will lose the moderates time and time again.


I honestly couldn't be happier with this outcome.

There are a number of criticisms I have with Obama in his first month. But the one to which he effectively boxed in the GOP with Rush painted on their shirts was downright amazing. I don't know if he did it with deliberate intent or if it were an accident, but I doubt even Obama could have predicted how well this continues to turn out.

Please, Conservatives, keep Rush as your de facto leader. Please continue to first attempt to separate yourselves from him, then immediately run back and apologize to him. Or don't even do that - hell, just kiss his extremist ass and cuddle up right next to his nice, round belly. And please keep thinking that you'll win over the Independents and undecideds by doing exactly this. I think if you really try hard, you may just woo over northern Democrats too. Yup. Just keep pushing. I know it will work..........


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