So then we should tolerate and accept homophobes because hey, nobody chooses to be a homophobe and it's an entirely natural thing.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On So then we should tolerate and accept homophobes because hey, nobody chooses to be a homophobe and it's an entirely natural thing.

Like I said, I think most homophobes have learned the fear and are not truly reacting based on primal instinct.

I don't know if you have any instinctual fears, but I have a primal fear of spiders. I know it's entirely irrational, I feel like a total twat when I flip out about them, but I simply cannot control it. I see it and immediately am terrified. I believe this is a *true* fear as I cannot imagine where I would have learned this from, and if I had learned it, why I cannot reason the fear away.

With that being said, is it fair for people to be intolerant of my fear of spiders? Do you think that it is fair for people to throw spiders at me, ridicule me and judge me because I am terrified of the freaky things?

I highly doubt that there are very many people who have a *true* fear (and when I say *true* I am referring to instinctual fear in case you hadn't gathered that,) of homosexuals.

I am not 100% sure whether I think people who are "homophobes" should be "tolerated" or not to be honest. I wasn't really arguing that, but merely pointing out that these fears are not necessarily controlled.

The difference is a spider can actually cause harm. Someone being gay doesn't affect you personally. A "natural" fear of gay people doesn't make sense.

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Originally posted by coroknight The difference is a spider can actually cause harm. Someone being gay doesn't affect you personally. A "natural" fear of gay people doesn't make sense.

Very good point. Although I don't know if our "programmed" fears take direct relationship to oneself into consideration (if consideration were to be made).

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Originally posted by coroknight The difference is a spider can actually cause harm. Someone being gay doesn't affect you personally. A "natural" fear of gay people doesn't make sense.

That's a dumb argument.

People have "natural" fears of all kinds of silly things, many of which cant actually cause harm. Like pickles.

well a phobia is pretty much defined as irrational anyway

I googled around but couldnt find anything neat but there is a link between fear & disgust I think the idea is that disgust is necessary (to stop people literally eating shit & fucking deadbodies) but can vary alot between people, you get this kind of skewed spectrum of things that almost universaly generate disgust (afformentioned) & then the phobias that are less rational are felt to a smaller degree & by fewer people. One of the sad things is different skin colour produces a disgusted response in some people(quite alot too many) its sad to think that sort of thing is instinctive but not really suprising.

then there are loads of other fears that such as fear of heights which seems quite rational but doesnt (i think) produce a disgusted reaction

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Originally posted by Alex That's a dumb argument. People have "natural" fears of all kinds of silly things, many of which cant actually cause harm. Like pickles.

Animal's in general have a fear of things that can harm them. Someone being gay isn't harming anyone.

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a homophobe might argue that it actually corrupts our social order and is therefore harmful

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Originally posted by Slylee oh well, different strokes different vaginas

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im still amazed so many people care about what other people do with their genitals.

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Originally posted by Ania_xox Honestly, you can't be angry with someone for not being a fan of homosexuality. It's not common on such a public level in a lot of countries therefore some people are uncomfortable with it and they think it's wrong.

Yes I don't feel sorry for Nazi Germany because being Jewish was not common on such a public level and therefore the peeeeeeeople were uncomfortable.

Listen to you talk...just like a little Nazi.

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Originally posted by Ania_xox So Jake Benson - if you feel uncomfortable with the idea of a father teaching his daughter about sexuality by having sex with her, then respect the fact that some people are going to feel uncomfortable with the thought of two men having sex together.

Bad comparison. Why?: incest increases the chance of producing offspring with much higher chances of physical abnormalities and defects. That is not of true of homosexuality. Therefore I can comfortably argue my uncomfortability against father-daughter sex, while you still have no actual reason to argue against homosexuality. Regardless, the concept of homosexuality isn't to use numbers or appeal to mass population in order to suede one to accept homosexuality. That's a fallacy.

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Originally posted by Ania_xox So Jake Benson - if you feel uncomfortable with the idea of a father teaching his daughter about sexuality by having sex with her, then respect the fact that some people are going to feel uncomfortable with the thought of two men having sex together.

Or I can do what I have been doing all my life: be who I am which brings homosexuality out in the open for everyone to view thus gradually shifting society to accept homosexuality, just as women who wanted to vote had done to get society to end women's suffrage.

So if you feel uncomfortable with the idea that I'm about to shove a rainbow flag up your ass, then go back in hiding to whatever retarded culture you want to wallow in that doesn't accept homosexuality.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN im still amazed so many people care about what other people do with their genitals.

I care what you do with yours.

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