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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN what?

"so god doesn't exist then?"

Only the Great Architect can divide by zero and create something out of nothing.

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Originally posted by SuspicionVandit alternate universe

I call it impossible.

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Originally posted by Krypton Really? So dividing by zero can sometimes actually give us a real answer? No, not so. Something can't come from nothing.

What does dividing by zero have to do with the start of the universe?

And why does a first cause have to be a personal one like God? And if you're not arguing that it's a personal cause, why call it "God" at all?

[I love it: cosmology in the COR.]

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Originally posted by Krypton "so god doesn't exist then?" Only the Great Architect can divide by zero and create something out of nothing.

So who created god then?

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Originally posted by Krypton I never implied there was and that is my view. All I'm saying is I don't believe something can come from nothingness. Our physical laws didn't exist 10^-43 second after the Big Bang. What this primordial reality was, we are far from knowing, but before 0 seconds after the Big Bang is an even bigger mystery. I just hold the view of our universe coming from a supernatural source. I mean supernatural in the sense that whatever reality our universe came from, it came from outside of our space-time continuum. Agree to disagree, but that's just my view.

Its an infinite cycle of contraction and expansion... you should know that mr stock trader guy.

The idea of God and creation is just to put tangible human traits to something that is complete and total randomness. The fact that our mere existence is but a fluke in the infinite spectrum of time and space...

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN So who created god then?

Duh, Super God... who was created by Bristol-Myers Squibb

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Its an infinite cycle of contraction and expansion...

Reminds me...everybody should read this little Isaac Asimov story:

http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Its an infinite cycle of contraction and expansion... you should know that mr stock trader guy. The idea of God and creation is just to put tangible human traits to something that is complete and total randomness. The fact that our mere existence is but a fluke in the infinite spectrum of time and space...

this understanding of god is not the understanding of god that any true mystic has. this is the popular understanding of god that allows simple people to live modest lives and to be decent citizens in society.


i wouldn't call it a cycle so much as a simultaneity. the cycle is the effect of perspective

well, im just speculating on what I think is up with the universe. Not saying I am right because it's so complex of an event I don't think anyone is 100% correct on anything beyond

{t|time < 10^-43} seconds

after the Big Bang.

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Originally posted by nefardec there is no such thing as disorder even if you are a materialist and believe that the magical big bang is the origin of everything, you have to realize that this unfolding of space time only happened one way, and then everything else resulting from that original event can be predicted at some level, if you had the tools to predict it. there are only levels of apparent disorder that result from exceedingly complicated and subtle patterns there is also no great architect of the universe separate from the universe or even from you and me. it is all one movement.

"The very concept of 'order' is laughable to me. Can anything in the world really be conceptualized and given perfect uniformity? Where is the event which will always happen the same way or can even be repeated in exactly the same way under controlled conditions? How can you claim to line up four identical buttons in a perfect row when at a molecular level the items are as different as an apple and an orange are to us? Even gravity does not always repeat itself."

- Peter Strachan

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Originally posted by Domesticated "The very concept of 'order' is laughable to me. Can anything in the world really be conceptualized and given perfect uniformity? Where is the event which will always happen the same way or can even be repeated in exactly the same way under controlled conditions? How can you claim to line up four identical buttons in a perfect row when at a molecular level the items are as different as an apple and an orange are to us? Even gravity does not always repeat itself." - Peter Strachan

lol did he ever take math class?

whether you are a materialist or a mystic, ideas still exist somewhere, and 2 goes after 1.