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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Yeah, there are a lot of rules, that's for sure. I'm ok except for when I get into hatte/hätte or konnten/könnten or werden/geworden territory. Also, whenever I try to speak, I jump into sentences before fully deciding what case (Nominativ, Dativ, etc.) it is I'm using.

This stuff was all easy for me when I was in the thick of it. I really love the language a lot.

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Originally posted by bas Dual exhaust tips on dual exhaust = QUAD EXHAUST = 300 gain in horsepower. Duh

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Originally posted by bas Undies with a dickhole aren't good for guys. Your balls can get caught in them. That's why I prefer to go over the gate instead of through the fence.

I speak English and Australian. I sued to speak Indonesian quite well, from studying it in HS, but I can't remember that much now, just random words and insults.

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I speak English and I'm a native Spanish speaker too

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English, Spanish, and Truck.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk I sued to speak Indonesian quite well

How does one sue to speak another language?

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I don't wanna be an alt

wie sagt man "do me" auf deutsch?

mach mich?

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Originally posted by Slylee oh well, different strokes different vaginas

Some dance to remember ~ Some dance to forget

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Originally posted by aquila2 How does one sue to speak another language?

Lulz. This is what I get for attempting to write a post before I have coffee in the morning

It was supposed to read 'used'

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English and Italian, with a little bit of German (can understand a lot better than i can write

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Originally posted by Unique2701 I hate the way the French construct their sentences. Isn't it like "I you give a present" or something They make things waaaay to complicated.

All of the latin-based languages use different word order to English.

For example, in Italian you would say:

Ti do un regalo (You i give a present)

English and Quebecois which can sometimes be considered French

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Originally posted by Ania_xox quote: Originally posted by Meat187 I've read that there's sort of a window for learning languages that ends at an age of about 6 or 7 years. Anything you learn after that will never feel like a first language to you and never be as fluent. totally disagree with the second part I started with French when I was 14 and I'm now fluent (écrit et orale). My parents moved to Canada when they were 35 and they're both fluent. Their accents are funny but they don't speak from memory - they feel the language.

it does not at all matter how fluent you or your parents appear to be in french when you speak the language - your intuition regarding grammaticality of certain specially constructed sentences will still be different from that of a native speaker. there are many subtleties in french grammar that make it, at times, radically dissimilar to english. the important point is, there is no way that non-native speakers could be receptive to these differences on a subconscious level unless they were already aware of them beforehand (i.e. through conscious learning). and while the natives are not consciously alert to them either, their assessment of certain semantically abstruse or/and scopally ambiguous sentences will differ from yours exactly because they are native speakers while you are not.

e.g.,

--french does not allow raising across an experiencer, so that while in english you can say things like

john seems to mary to have talent

its french counterpart would sound weird to most native speakers

(* means ungrammatical)

*jean semble à marie avoir du talent

and yet the moment you replace the experiencer with a pronoun, the above sentence suddenly becomes grammatical just like in english

jean lui semble avoir du talent

--also, in contrast to their english counterparts, french croire-class verbs allow a non-habitual interpretation for their infinitival complements even in the absence of an overt aspect or adverbs of quantification. e.g.,

je crois rêver

can mean both "i believe that i dream" and "i believe that i am dreaming"

--the splitting of wh-phrases is possible in french but not in english

combien de livres a-t-il consultés?
combien a-t-il consultés de livres?

--in french, finite main verbs must precede adverbial expressions, whereas their corresponding non-finite forms may precede OR follow them. this is different from english. e.g.,

jean parle à peine l'italien
*jean à peine parle l'italien

and yet these are both grammatical

parler à peine l'italien...
à peine parler l'italien...

--the distribution of in situ wh-constructions in french is also radically different from that in english.

there are other, much more subtle differences involving scope and quantifiers, which i'm not going to go into.


the bottomline is, the notion of 'fluency' does not simply involve the ability to produce sentences, it also involves the ability to judge sentences. and this second ability diminishes as early as 7y in people.

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Last edited by Noisician on Apr-10-2009 at 04:41

go teach a school

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