i think the popularity -> quality assumption not always incorrect. Good bands tend to be popular because people like them more. But the only problem is that alot of people on this planet are retards so sometimes , despite being very popular , things really suck.

tiesto------------------------: popular but sucky
mac---------------------------: popular but not sucky
Sebastien(house producer guy)-: not popular but not sucky
Kismet7-----------------------: not popular but sucky

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Originally posted by mysticalninja No, I don't mean to imply that. Beethoven is very emotional.. Not that that song is THAT complex anyway is it? Moonlight Sonata also.. simple yet awesome. Bach probably would of sneered at it and stuck his nose in the air.. Maybe not. That's what I've heard anyway.

bach wouldn't of sneered. And as simple as you might think it is, I doubt you could play it let alone do a harmonic analysis of all the chords.

here are some examples of emotional and "complex" , some very, that will hopefully change your outlook. As a side note , i think using the word complex retarded. COmplexity involves so many parameters, form , harmony , performance .... ( these works are pretty popular so most of you will know them and since most of you don't know about form, i will just base the term complexity on surface details.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTe6-kj5zRI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weEYNgeHyDA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT22...feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYaG...feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO6HltIxevU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km5PqCxW1zw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YPK...feature=related

but remember all the theoreticians did sneer at him for using the "forbidden parallel fifths", later he was known as the man who set music free from rules. He realized the model just reduced the music to rules and recipes.

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Last edited by mysticalninja on May-13-2009 at 00:51

So who will set Trance free?

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Originally posted by mysticalninja but remember all the theoreticians did sneer at him for using the "forbidden parallel fifths", later he was known as the man who set music free from rules. He realized the model had become reduced to rules and recipes.

Hardly any composers followed all of the "rules" of their own day. Bach taught composition, but in his own works he didn't follow some of the "rules" that he taught. Mozart was originally called a "romantic" for favoring emotional expression over orderly composition, but today we call him "classical." Rules are just useful guidelines and learning tools, not absolutes.

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Originally posted by cronodevir So who will set Trance free?

Post of the Thread.

So funny, next someone will need to set the SUN free, its not bright enough.

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commercial and underground electronic music (house/techno/trance/other) will surpass today's hip hop/pop/rock/country in worldwide interest...if it has'nt already.

To cronodevir

You say that producing music isn't hard. And that we must be stupid to find it so. Maybe it isn't hard if you have been learning/ studying/ doing it for a long time. Knowing how to do something doesn't automatically make it easy. To use the athlete comparison earlier; if someone can break the world sprint record does that mean it is easy? Or is it hard to do but the athlete has practised for a long time?

Things that I am good at now were hard for me to learn. That doesn't make me think that the subject is easy. It means that the subject is easy to me.

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Originally posted by xenos_declan
Yeah, that's true. Was at an Armin set last Friday and by God my arms were sore at the end of some of the breaks! You end up taking your arms down every so often rubbing them in pain and then straight back up again. Worth it though.

Stratotek:
Man, that is the best description of a good trance set I ever heard...

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Originally posted by xenos_declan Things that I am good at now were hard for me to learn. That doesn't make me think that the subject is easy. It means that the subject is easy to me.

Or, it doesn't make the subject hard. It makes it hard for me.

Anyways that isn't the point, the point is you do think a lot better when you just force yourself into a certain mindset. If you make yourself believe there is not hardship going on, then it is increasingly easier to get through that hardship. Without underestimating that hardship of course.

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i'm the alchemist without the cyst without a doubt out of the mist
dig out the grout expose the pest to take it out without the rest

they will attest my patients restorations from the best

i'm from the west i'm not an acmeist only the alchemist

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Originally posted by Kismet7 next someone will need to set the SUN free, its not bright enough.

nooooooooo, what about global warming and the polar ice and the wild life there?

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Originally posted by mysticalninja but remember all the theoreticians did sneer at him for using the "forbidden parallel fifths", later he was known as the man who set music free from rules. He realized the model just reduced the music to rules and recipes.

wrong again. Beethoven definately followed the parallel 5th rule. And that guideline has some pretty solid gestalt based psychology explaining why the practice isn't arbirary. He didn't set music free. He is still considered a classicist more than a romantic composer. He expanded on rules , broke a few but in no way threw everything out.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Or, it doesn't make the subject hard. It makes it hard for me.

Okay I think I see what you mean. What you're saying is that finding something hard doesn't make it hard and finding something easy doesn't make it easy?

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Anyways that isn't the point, the point is you do think a lot better when you just force yourself into a certain mindset. If you make yourself believe there is not hardship going on, then it is increasingly easier to get through that hardship. Without underestimating that hardship of course.

So having the right attitude is important. We need to lessen the idea of something being too hard or maybe we wouldn't feel capable of starting to learn it. Sometimes the thought of doing something is worse than the event. But of course we have to be realistic.

I do believe I understand you now. To be honest some of your statements earlier we're a bit arrogant but I think what you're saying is get the attitude right and the rest will follow?

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Originally posted by xenos_declan
Yeah, that's true. Was at an Armin set last Friday and by God my arms were sore at the end of some of the breaks! You end up taking your arms down every so often rubbing them in pain and then straight back up again. Worth it though.

Stratotek:
Man, that is the best description of a good trance set I ever heard...

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Beethoven definately followed the parallel 5th rule

Oh, Beethoven used lots of parallel and augmented Fifths, which were considered completely wrong at the time.

In his first movement from the 5th Symphony, Beethoven just keeps going over that phrase. It was just like writing a rock song. He found himself a great little hook. He was having fun kicking it around.

A famous anecdote is that Beethoven was showing off a violin piece to a friend of his and his friend pointed out that there were parallel perfect intervals in it, Beethoven said something like, "No! it's perfect!" then he went through and played it again and found the intervals. His friend said, "See?" Beethoven demands to know who has forbidden them, to which Ferdinand Ries responds: "Marburg, Kirnberger, Fuchs, etc., etc., all the theoreticians!" Beethoven then said, "And so I allow them."

Beethoven knows perfectly well who has forbidden parallel fifths and why. Beethoven is making a point by asking (repeatedly) who forbids parallel fifths: he wants it out front that it is the theoreticians, which is to say, those who, after the fact, derive rules from the models laid down by genius. And the point Beethoven is making is that because the theoreticians make the rules, he breaks the rules; their rules forbid fifths,so -therefore- he allows them. This is because of the Kantian notion of Genius.

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