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Originally posted by sifntj0r hi. I don't get it, since when in civilised society do we 'fire into the sky' as a mark of celebration? And it sure as hell ain't no tribal ritual thing either. They may well have not meant any harm, but hey, the soldiers are out there, anyone who's not on their team and is carrying a weapon would be considered hostile. It's not like they're gonna walk up to the party and say 'yo are you friend or foe?' Before they would reach the 4th word they could well be dead. Also, I bet his brother or sister and associated friends won't fire assault rifles into the sky when they walk down the aisile. Can you prove this at all? This is just your opinion, and you've already made it clear enough that your opinion is biased(read: clouded) against the American Government because quote/unquote, "I've had it with George Bush". I'm guessing if say, England led the fight against the Taliban and this was all their doing, you'd make the same statement in the same context, only against England. You could of course argue the general arrogance of America, but that's too broad a generalisation. Come on, stop with the World Vision crap. How about you give me statistics of how many 'starving kids in afghanistan' have actually been killed by military fire. Not to mention, that the people in the WTC weren't attacking afghanistan either. The propoganda machine of the Taliban is at work, you'll probably see/read about how innocent 'women and children' are always being killed, never about the males (which are always killed too). Fucking right on. Someone give the man a cookie. You all have this armchair perspective and are totally ignorant of the whole situation. And in fact I'll answer the mans question and say, no these ignorant fuckwits would not have the same attitude. They'd be gung-ho, pitchforks in hand, ready and willing to do the job themselves, had it been their country or even someone they knew. Everyone hates the topdog, they all wanna be where he is. Because everyone owes America money :P It's easier for them to say, 'go do this and we'll cancel out x amount of money you owe us. Oh and btw, anytime you need a helping hand with anything, give uncle sam a call.' Rather than waiting around for money which, for the most part, they probably won't see from some countries. It's all about intent. America is not intending to kill innocent civilians (if you believe otherwise, get a fucking brain check NOW and don't make any babies, less this earth is infected with more retards). Al-Qaeda's intent was to kill civilians, and civilians died. America's intent is to destroy military(Al-Qaeda) targets/personnel and they do that, occaisionally, by accident, civilians die. Can you see the difference? Quit with the fucking dramatics, wankers. Fucking hell, starving children, dead housewives, now slavery all over the world. What will it be next? Children die in the arms of housewives who were working their slave job? It's the economic problems of individual countries that force result in slavery. China sure as hell isn't forced by America into slavery, yet slavery in some instances still exist over there(and in other countries for that matter). Seeing as tiesto14 was responding to the text "War...its a silly game", and you suggested nukes, you could say that you called yourself stupid. No we don't want them to use them, which is why America must keeping bombing/probing and trying to find the said targets. It's also why America may well go after Saddam Hussein in the near future. But then I can't wait for the thread 'america shuld stay teh fark out of iray kthxbi'. Whats that?? Don't you all want the war to stop?? However you want them found?? I don't get it. Wise words! That's why it can't end until they find bin laden and eliminate all terrorist cells. It can be done if there is patience. How about you refresh us on what was going on, and what could have been possible pointers that the American public could have picked up, that Al-Qaeda were going to ram two aircraft into the WTC. You took tiesto14's statements out of context and into a broader scale, now bring em back into line and prove they were going to be attacked. Let's hope you and your parter(or future partner(s)) are infertile, people like you aren't fit enough to bring children into the world to nuture. Btw, we're all awe of just how tough you appear to be. More damage has been done to military targets/personnel than innocent civilians. In fact I believe Australian SASR troops have killed 300+ al-qaeda soldiers without a single fatality against us. I think we lead the kill count of the ground forces. Why? Because our troops are the best trained in the world. Proven in folklore as far back as Gallipoli and recently Kosovo, East Timor and now Afghanistan. Oh you are just so blase in your thinking. Please, enclose further strategies in finding bin laden, then muster up some courage to actually carry out the act, then come back telling us how easy it is. ok and i can't be fucked writing anymore, i've finished up to page 4 and i might do more tomorrow. Overall -civilian casualties = bad, but unavoidable. -Israel and Palestine are likely to continue screwing each other until there is nothing left. -Everyone is quite happy to bag america for what it's doing, but I don't think they or their country could do a better job. -Everyone is an armchair expert at foreign policy.

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Originally posted by fastmp3 well keep looking for him , till one day he kicks u so bad in the ass u won't feel it anymore , that might happen seriously

dude why are u laughing...ur Canandian...dont u have to go watch the Kids in the Hall?...ur best show

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Originally posted by tiesto14 u know what else is getting old...the hatred towards America...thats whats getting old.....

hey tiesto who said we hate amercican people,we hate the government policies to deal with other countries. we dont hate american people infact about half of my relitaves live there, i used to live there and was born there. we only hate how the government deals with other countries. get it

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Originally posted by tiesto14 we are damned if we do help...LOL either or we cant win...

You think your war in Afghanistan is helping the world, I got news for you....
If you genuinly did help the world you would be praised, unfortunately due to your foreign policies such instances are few and far between.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 and if i remember correctley it wasnt until America stepped into the war that it began to end....cus u pussy Europeans couldnt handle Germany and definatley would of got destroyed by Japan... so your welcome...

More soldiers & resources = easier to win war, yes thats true
Japan!!!! hehe lol
I would have thought myself that the 'pussies' are the ones that do nothing for three years.

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Originally posted by eLe_vatE You think your war in Afghanistan is helping the world, I got news for you.... If you genuinly did help the world you would be praised, unfortunately due to your foreign policies such instances are few and far between.

it's just not the u.s.'s war...i mean wo do have allies in the war...so this operation must be helping other countries, right??? there are british troops stationed over there...so don't give me this "oh, the world doesn't praise the u.s. so they must be in if for themselves and aren't helping anyone."

well you can thank bin laden for bring the americans there, its not the americans fault that there towers got knocked down, there not just gonna sit on there ass until something else happends

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Originally posted by DJ_Lucid we only hate how the government deals with other countries. get it

well if you hate the government...and the government is elected by the people...then by transitive property you hate the people.

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Originally posted by eLe_vatE I would have thought myself that the 'pussies' are the ones that do nothing for three years.

well excuuuuse us for not wanting to send our soldiers off to die 52 years ago during the second world war. guess what...it wasnt our war to fight. we bailed out europe's ass 20 something years earlier and didnt want to do it again. if you havent realized yet by our history of not fighting til we have to...we dont really like it.

you dont like that we get into other business. being the wealthiest country in the world kinda gives one a moral obligation to try to help others. id like to hear what youd say if the US stopped "butting in" and just let the rest of the world rot. hell, im all for it. we've got plenty of homeland problems that we could be spending billions of dollars a year on instead of assiting other countries.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 and to the Canadians....u guys dont even have an army...well what ever u do have its a joke....dont be jealous that are salvation army could take your entire country out in 20 minutes,.

that's just stupid man. First, you have like 10 times the population that we do, and the US government just happens to choose to spend Billions and Billions on War and Killing, where our government spends money on other things like free health care. Frankly, you guys do have an impressive army, but you know what? Canada doesn't need an army that size.

Why? No one attacks Canada. Why? They have no reason to. So obviously we're doing something right.

You shouldn't be bashing our country because, after all, we are volunteering our help for your cause. Technically, we really shouldn't give a shit, but we do. Our little army is actually fighting alongside yours, AND during the 9/11 crisis, US airplanes landed on OUR airports, and OUR people came out and volunteered aid and support for YOUR civilians. We do not hate the american people, most of us are just critical of your government's actions in foreign countries.

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well maimly because it is the Canadians on this board who bash America...so its ok for them to bash my country but i am the bad guy for NEVER bashing ANY country until this point of all my tiem being on this board?...thats kind of a double standard ...isnt it?

Will you get this through your thick fucking skull? We are not bashing the American People. We are bashing the conduct of the US government against Afghanistan. Whereas you are just spewing bullshit about bacon and hockey. You don't see any of us making shit up about rednecks and MTV.

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yes and Canada has one of the highest intake of refugees, because of their shitty border contols..they let in anyone even without out proper ID...if u dont have the proper ID u go through some shitty ass interveiws and if u dont seem like a threat then u can enter OOOHHH CANADA....then u know what those refugees do>?.,...well then they sneak into America and leetch of our resources.....if they get sick you know who pays?...the American tax payer,.,.we have so many people without health insurance in America and cant pay for medical bills...yet these refugees come in and get it for free....fucking insane...thanks Canada.

Well, if these refugees are sneaking into the states, then you guys don't have that great of a border-control either now, do you?
Oh, and about the health insurance thing, read my first paragraph. :P Maybe instead of a $300,000 "smart"-missle, one of the hundred thousand that's been dropped on Afghanistan, the US government should give it to a hospital or something.

And if you reply to this with something about Canada being gay, or about not doing shit, or hockey, or bacon, or anything to that extent:
you are a moron.

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Originally posted by Elfswonder well you can thank bin laden for bring the americans there, its not the americans fault that there towers got knocked down, there not just gonna sit on there ass until something else happends

what, you think just because you're bombing a bunch of afghanis, this won't happen again?

For god's sake people: Terrorism is NOT a country that you can bomb!

Thats why it sucks. A Bin-Laden supporter can be living in Manhattan, with a nuke in his suitcase. Why don't you bomb the shit out of New York? Because it doesn't work like that. There'll still be the terrorist in his L.A. apartment. You gonna bomb California too? We don't live in Afghanistan, who cares.

Even if you kill Osama, he'll just become a martyr. Honestly, I don't know what the solution to Terrorism is, but obviously this "war on terrorism" isn't working, because people are just as scared now as when this war first started.

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/shrug/ it makes us feel better. and just because we dont know the answer doesnt mean sit around and do nothing till we find the perfect option. Yes there are terrorist cells everywhere. but many many many many many many many of them are from the middle east. and that isnt a fact to argue over. Thats where many are trained and funded from. Cut off the head of the snake, and the writhing body will betray itself.

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Originally posted by Cafster id like to hear what youd say if the US stopped "butting in" and just let the rest of the world rot.

two atomic bombs left Hiroshima and Nagasaki glow in the dark, even though Japan was willing to surrender anyways.

countless missles tested in the Pacific, left islands to be paved over with metres of cement.

Gallons of napalm splashed over my parent's villages in Vietnam, just to drag a war on longer towards the same result, millions of dead vietnamese and tens of thousands of dead American boys who didn't want to be there anyway.

Friend's houses shattered by US missiles in Serbia to get one man to surrender. On the brightside, he got to go back to serbia and rebuild some of those houses with his bare hands, and came back tanned and alot bigger.

Thanks alot! Thanks for not letting this world rot! You guys are the BEST!

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