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| quote: | Originally posted by jchung52
In reponse to:
1- elitist mentality. so golf should be only for those who can afford it, those who are "special" enough to get a tee time? yes it sucks its harder to get tee times but at the same time, more people playing means more chances for better players to emerge thus making golf more exciting and competitive. |
-> Chemy was asked how Tiger has made the game worse FOR HIM; subsequently, your attempt to rebuff his point with the above argument is simply off base. It is harder for all golfers to get tee times; that is a bad thing for any individual golfer.
| quote: | | 2- golf has actually become cheaper which is why there are so many more people playing the game. Look at 20 yrs, 15 yrs, 10 yrs, 5 yrs ago. equipment prices have dropped, access to lower-fee courses has risen, and the popularity has risen because of that. supply and demand: if $300 a round demand is there, supply it but there are more courses that offer $30 rounds than the 300. |
-> I would love to see you produce some evidence to back up that claim. There has always been value priced equipment around so that's just not a valid argument. The real key is green-fees; the median green fee in the US is $36 dollars today... it was $15 in 1990; I suspect the change in average fees is even more pronounced. Additionally, you cannot use a simple supply and demand argument as the construction of new courses is a regulated activity (environmental concerns) and supply lags behind demand by years due to the high financial and time investments needed in constructing new clubs.
| quote: | | 3- true but thats the same for any other sport. the "star" player is always the one being shown. |
-> usually not to the exclusion of the other players though... certainly not when the "star" player is not in the hunt.
| quote: | | 4- true however it is not as bad as you make it seem. usually there is some other top 5 player in the field that the media will hoard |
-> I believe Chem's argument was that the focus of reporting has shifted to Tiger rather then golf. No one can really contest that argument.
| quote: | | 5-I would have to say Tiger doesnt have anything to do with the morons who don't have golf etiquette. You don't see Tiger breaking clubs, walking off courses cuz he's pissed off etc. its just the popularity of the game in general that has creating such a diverse population playing the game. you can compare like funky to the edm scene. more popularity = more "idiots" at parties. so its tiesto's (just for sake of argument) fault that the edm scene has gone downhill? |
-> I don't think anyone was directely blaming Tiger for bringing those people out; however, his popularity is the catalyst for this and this is a detriment to the game of golf in the eyes of those that were fans of the game pre-Tiger. Much like most of us old-timers hold firm that the rave days were better then the table-service days.
| quote: | how bout the good things tiger has done:
1)Tiger Woods Foundation- 8000 young persons attend class at the Tiger Woods Learning Center (other things the foundation does: http://www.tigerwoodsfoundation.org/what_we_do.php); the millions tiger has put (yes he has a lot of money but he doesnt have to do this) towards better learning and promoting discipline through golf is quite remarkable
2) breaking down racial barriers
3) promoting discipline (with his work etiquette and ability to focus and remain calm or "bounce back" when a poor shot/mishit is made) and respect (to his father/mother especially)
yes i am defending tiger a lot here. i am still apalled by this whole situation but everyone has their faults and im just pointing out how good tiger is in my books (which is also why i think the story is such a frenzy right now) |
Again the question put to Chem was what Tiger has done to make the game worse for him; subsequently, none of your arguments on how he made the game better really apply. That said; Tiger is hardly alone in setting up charitable foundations of this ilk, he has broken no racial barriers as there have been black professional golfers going back to at least the 1950s, and I simply don't buy the promoting discipline thing at all given that those who follow Tiger in the gallary and sport all the latest Tiger/Nike gear on the course are generally the least disciplined people on the course.
I don't really give a shit about what Tiger's personal life and I respect his abilities on the course; however, your points seem more like idol worship then reasonable arguments.
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| quote: | Originally posted by RickyM
you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about. |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down 
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was just trying to throw out some of the good stuff tiger has done (based on personal opinion). also time frame comparison may also be differing our stances
