Speaking of the State Of The Union... here are 16 lies from that speech exposed plain as day:

It's politics, of course there will be lies and of course the truth will be stretched. Stop acting like this is something new. I hope that you're capable of admitting that most presidents have done the same thing.

*yawns*

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov And were those state elections referendums on Obama? C'mon. Coakley and Deeds were among the worst candidates on the Democratic bench - they had horribly run campaigns that were outgunned from the start. It was never about Obama. Again - how are those referendums on Obama? He didn't even campaign in VA or MA until the week of, and did he even campaign in NJ? The criticism is that he didn't use any of his political capital there, not that it didn't work.

The question is, how are those NOT referendums on Obama if he is the national leader of the Democrats? They were just attributed to "bad candidates"? lol. 61% of voters say Obamacare should be dropped. 70% say that was the number 1 reason for the Massachusetts election---> http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...rop_health_care

If we were talking about Florida or Ohio, which could swing either way, maybe you'd be right. But Virginia and NJ went for Obama in a huge way during the election. And, well Massachusetts speaks for itself. 3.5 to 1 Democrat. He campaigned for all of them. Convenient to say that since it didn't work, he didn't use his political capital. By the same rationale, if Deeds, Coakley, or Corzine won with Obama's campaign support, would you say that those victories do not prove Obama's popularity or ability to swing races?

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Originally posted by idoru It's politics, of course there will be lies and of course the truth will be stretched. Stop acting like this is something new. I hope that you're capable of admitting that most presidents have done the same thing.

But... but there is a new tone in Washington, with a new type of post partisan politician who refuses play the tired old Washington games.

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Originally posted by The17sss But... but there is a new tone in Washington, with a new type of post partisan politician who refuses play the tired old Washington games.

Once again, the same type of argument/sarcasm (although with differing political messages) can be made for most State of the Union speeches. But by all means, keep trying.

Edit: For the record, I'm not trying to defend Obama. I'm just taking the same role you took in the "Fox vs. All Other Media" thread.

I'm rootin for ya the17sss!

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Originally posted by idoru It's politics, of course there will be lies and of course the truth will be stretched. Stop acting like this is something new. I hope that you're capable of admitting that most presidents have done the same thing.

you have to admit obama's lies are different though... i mean, at least for me his dodginess is worse than bush's because he pushed his own honesty and the idea of hope so heavily but has achieved nothing...

it's true every president is a hypocrite, as are most, or all politicians: it's a filthy game, i just think Obama is annoying because his lies are very different... his major campaign was that he was going to inspire hope which would eventuate in change.. all he's done is inspire hope, then anally rape every citizen, while smiling and saying he's on their side...

again, i know every politician is dodgy, it just pisses me off personally with obama because his whole thing was that he ISN'T... at least everybody knew that bush was a dodgy, retarded ****.. with obama you don't know where you stand...

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Originally posted by EgosXII you have to admit obama's lies are different though... i mean, at least for me his dodginess is worse than bush's because he pushed his own honesty and the idea of hope so heavily but has achieved nothing... it's true every president is a hypocrite, as are most, or all politicians: it's a filthy game, i just think Obama is annoying because his lies are very different... his major campaign was that he was going to inspire hope which would eventuate in change.. all he's done is inspire hope, then anally rape every citizen, while smiling and saying he's on their side... again, i know every politician is dodgy, it just pisses me off personally with obama because his whole thing was that he ISN'T... at least everybody knew that bush was a dodgy, retarded ****.. with obama you don't know where you stand...

What is he supposed to do, tell everyone, "hey I'm a lying sack of shit!!"? What makes you think he isn't on our side? Everything that's being done is being done with the best of intentions, but it doesn't stop there. He's got a good team of advisors giving him sound advice in a very unsound time. He's governing from the center left. Cut him some slack.

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Originally posted by Krypton What is he supposed to do, tell everyone, "hey I'm a lying sack of shit!!"? What makes you think he isn't on our side? Everything that's being done is being done with the best of intentions, but it doesn't stop there. He's got a good team of advisors giving him sound advice in a very unsound time. He's governing from the center left. Cut him some slack.

i think he shouldn't promise the world.. more than the world... when all he is is a nice voice...

again, i'm not an idiot, i know it's a political ploy, but surely i can't be the only one whose annoyed at the epic hypocrisy of all his "i'm the future, i'm going to change the world for good" bullshit... hope is one of the most powerful human emotions... bush is a criminal, but at least he never inspired hope that got epicly dashed

oh and for the record i hate bush, but i also hate fucking with people's emotions: the US really needed to support a moral leader, especially after bush, and all they ended up getting was a handsome hypocrite.

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Originally posted by The17sss The question is, how are those NOT referendums on Obama if he is the national leader of the Democrats? They were just attributed to "bad candidates"? lol. 61% of voters say Obamacare should be dropped. 70% say that was the number 1 reason for the Massachusetts election---> http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...rop_health_care

Rasmussen is always your go-to source for polling, eh? Such a reputable outfit, asking questions such as "Are you in favor of the health care reform plan in front of Congress, which would prohibit people from choosing insurance plans with lower premiums and higher deductibles?"

Or: "Do you agree or disagree with the following statement: It’s always better to cut taxes than to increase government spending because taxpayers, not bureaucrats, are the best judges of how to spend their money."

Taking the fair and balanced right out of the Fox News playbook.

But all that aside - it's laughable to say that every election is a referendum on the national figure - I'm sure if you ask people in Massachusetts - where health care reform has already been enacted - whether this was a referendum on whether they believe Nevada should have the same system, they'd laugh at you too. Or are we to believe that Virginia was somehow a referendum on Rush Limbaugh, the national leader of the Republicans?

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If we were talking about Florida or Ohio, which could swing either way, maybe you'd be right. But Virginia and NJ went for Obama in a huge way during the election.

Lol, what? Virginia is now a solid blue state after voting for a Democrat for the first time since the Civil Rights Act? I'll take that mischaracterization. Corzine was a crook, Creigh Deeds couldn't put his pants on in the morning, and Coakley didn't even know Curt Schilling played for the Boston Red Sox. But yeah, these are all Obama's fault, because he campaigned so hard to get those people elected.

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And, well Massachusetts speaks for itself. 3.5 to 1 Democrat. He campaigned for all of them. Convenient to say that since it didn't work, he didn't use his political capital. By the same rationale, if Deeds, Coakley, or Corzine won with Obama's campaign support, would you say that those victories do not prove Obama's popularity or ability to swing races?

Absolutely not - I would have said the Democrats ran the better campaign. Voter registration doesn't mean anything if they aren't motivated to turn out. Massachusetts was a surprise - but it shows more that Democrats have neglected local issues of importance in Massachusetts and ran a shitty campaign than that the national agenda is somehow now delegitimized.

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Originally posted by Comrade Stalin the17sss, you exploiting, corrupt, money-hungry, fat cat, greedy, decadent capitalist pig. I will nationalize you.

Honestly, how can anyone not love this guy? Lmao.