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nefardec
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quote:
Originally posted by Adam420
I tend to agree. I dislike the fact that many people today are making "throwback" music. To me EDM was always about moving forward, pushing the boundaries, the next thing. I don't think it's good that so many people try to replicate older music these days. That's not what EDM is about to me.


I agree. That's why I'm really only interested in listening to and collect the original stuff. Original underground disco, original detroit techno, original deep house.

The smaller amount of contemporary music I listen to tends to be more on the futuristic side.

That said I spend more time researching music from the past because I find it a lot more interesting if for nothing more than the stories it offers. Music is tied to a historical, cultural, fashion narrative. I like to find stories in music about culture and history, and quite honestly I think today's stories are quite boring because they are very highly derivative and similar. I have a tendency to like to look at the big picture of things and understand things in relation to this, so my instinct is always to go both deep and lateral.

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omg yes me 2

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You win this time, I'll be less nonchalant and give it more honor next time around.


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Originally posted by nefardec
my instinct is always to go both deep and lateral.


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so, i still don't know how Theo Parrish is supposed to be related to power electronics other than very superficially. use a little bit of screech, hiss, and hum and suddenly you are in line with Atrax Morgue.

for all the opinion pieces i've read about noise and it being stupid or pointless, being related to it and its similar genres is still big shit and alot of prestige for intellectuals. dunno anyone who discusses that stuff without being even a lil uppity. but then, in these discussions no-one mentions Mille Plateaux (the label, not the book) or any of the thousands of other examples of contemporary composers and would rather talk about John Cage. fuck that. know one name and you know everything, heard all there is to hear, eh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGmOoDWCVxU (this is power electronics)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfz8xMEJ0OM (and this is especially good)

this is a rather good introduction as well:
http://www.discogs.com/Various-Le-J.../release/856333

watch out for the first track tho -- might blow your speakers. and "Kjetil D. Brandsdal – Komboloi" will make sense to anyone who ever wondered about TP's mixing abilities (not that you'll like it).

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Since this is the thread for unpopular opinions, I won't hold back about electronica and club music.

As computers and software keep increasing their foothold and further permeate every aspect of music-making, our global music and DJ culture has steadily been regressing to a state which ultimately is leading our collective asses to some form of idiocracy for supporting it unconditionally.

From the lack of compositional skills, inability to write memorable melodies to total disregard for the basics of arrangement and any innovative ideas or deeper message on the side of the music makers, the public itself has sunk to ever-lower depths of expectations, having now been trained and conditioned to accept those dumbed-down and inferior productions as the standard. There are now audiences who would not know what to do if someone was going to actually play a song with vocals, a proper melodic buildup and was played with real instruments by human beings.

That same public, however reacts extremely well to people going on stage wearing giant masks or other gimmick props (to be fair, Kiss was way ahead of the curve with this one) while presenting simplistic tracks laden with special efx and synchronized to pyrotechnics, cheap thrills that are nonetheless a guarantee to get a rise out of them for a few seconds.

Thousands of years of humans patiently crafting the most exquisite music being made irrelevant by terabytes of beat-matched sample libraries and intelligent software agents turning it all into one gigantic highway lined with perfect samey-looking cars forever. And leaving real musicians completely out of work as no one wants to hire them.

Now of course, it would be unfair to forget the reality that most of this music I am ranting about is in fact designed to be consumed by people under the influence of chemicals, and that the aim of it is to clearly provide a smooth, predictable and appropriately themed endless backdrop to enhance their drug experience without ever 'rocking the boat' or waking them up from their torpor by causing them to think, other than to occasionally tweet about it (in 140 characters or less) or annoy everyone around them by snapping pictures with their new iPhone 4Gs.

Mike Judge arguably was a visionary, and as is the case with most of them had his disruptive movie Idiocracy buried by Fox (who funded it) when it became obvious how incredibly prescient its message was, and that it was hitting a bit too close to home for comfort. This is pretty much what seems to have been happening to the once-lavish, exotic and gorgeously iconoclastic world of dance music.

It all became streamlined, commoditized and defanged into a parody of its once-vibrant sexiness and beautiful energy; but with lots more bass, sharper drum sounds and wondrous synthetizer wooshes than ever before.

That's where young sonic rebels like Skrillex (who everyone loves to hate) can come in and wake people the f*ck up from that complacent status quo with gut-wrenching ugly-ass beats and demented bass lines. The world might just be getting ready for the next generation of electronic punks without guitars.

P.S.: before anyone even points it out, yes there are thousands of very able and extremely talented musicians, composers and practitioners of creative electronic music today, but they aren't very high on the public's radar, and for the most part what they do just doesn't seem to register at all.


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[..] but they aren't very high on the public's radar, and for the most part what they do just doesn't seem to register at all.


Sorry to single out this one from the other points made, but it made me curious. When you say the publics radar, do you mean the one that has all the mainstream music on it? And where do you see the line between underground/unknown and mainstream go?


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quote:
Originally posted by sg_57
Since this is the thread for unpopular opinions, I won't hold back about electronica and club music.

As computers and software keep increasing their foothold and further permeate every aspect of music-making, our global music and DJ culture has steadily been regressing to a state which ultimately is leading our collective asses to some form of idiocracy for supporting it unconditionally.

From the lack of compositional skills, inability to write memorable melodies to total disregard for the basics of arrangement and any innovative ideas or deeper message on the side of the music makers, the public itself has sunk to ever-lower depths of expectations, having now been trained and conditioned to accept those dumbed-down and inferior productions as the standard. There are now audiences who would not know what to do if someone was going to actually play a song with vocals, a proper melodic buildup and was played with real instruments by human beings.

That same public, however reacts extremely well to people going on stage wearing giant masks or other gimmick props (to be fair, Kiss was way ahead of the curve with this one) while presenting simplistic tracks laden with special efx and synchronized to pyrotechnics, cheap thrills that are nonetheless a guarantee to get a rise out of them for a few seconds.

Thousands of years of humans patiently crafting the most exquisite music being made irrelevant by terabytes of beat-matched sample libraries and intelligent software agents turning it all into one gigantic highway lined with perfect samey-looking cars forever. And leaving real musicians completely out of work as no one wants to hire them.

Now of course, it would be unfair to forget the reality that most of this music I am ranting about is in fact designed to be consumed by people under the influence of chemicals, and that the aim of it is to clearly provide a smooth, predictable and appropriately themed endless backdrop to enhance their drug experience without ever 'rocking the boat' or waking them up from their torpor by causing them to think, other than to occasionally tweet about it (in 140 characters or less) or annoy everyone around them by snapping pictures with their new iPhone 4Gs.

Mike Judge arguably was a visionary, and as is the case with most of them had his disruptive movie Idiocracy buried by Fox (who funded it) when it became obvious how incredibly prescient its message was, and that it was hitting a bit too close to home for comfort. This is pretty much what seems to have been happening to the once-lavish, exotic and gorgeously iconoclastic world of dance music.

It all became streamlined, commoditized and defanged into a parody of its once-vibrant sexiness and beautiful energy; but with lots more bass, sharper drum sounds and wondrous synthetizer wooshes than ever before.

That's where young sonic rebels like Skrillex (who everyone loves to hate) can come in and wake people the f*ck up from that complacent status quo with gut-wrenching ugly-ass beats and demented bass lines. The world might just be getting ready for the next generation of electronic punks without guitars.

P.S.: before anyone even points it out, yes there are thousands of very able and extremely talented musicians, composers and practitioners of creative electronic music today, but they aren't very high on the public's radar, and for the most part what they do just doesn't seem to register at all.


i don't think i've ever agreed with anything more than this.

EDIT: except skrillex

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nefardec
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Originally posted by sg_57
That's where young sonic rebels like Skrillex (who everyone loves to hate) can come in and wake people the f*ck up from that complacent status quo with gut-wrenching ugly-ass beats and demented bass lines. The world might just be getting ready for the next generation of electronic punks without guitars.

P.S.: before anyone even points it out, yes there are thousands of very able and extremely talented musicians, composers and practitioners of creative electronic music today, but they aren't very high on the public's radar, and for the most part what they do just doesn't seem to register at all.



Great post, but honestly I wouldn't put the phrase 'sonic rebel' anywhere near Skrillex, unless it was followed by a trademark sign. Talk about overproduction and pyrotechnics...

His music might be ugly, but he would never have been on stage at CBGB's with that act.

There is no new punk generation, there are only new punk stylings. Well there are, but they certainly aren't named skrillex and they certainly don't work with Korn and lady gaga.

I guess what I'm trying to say is it can't be rebelious or punk if it's what everyone wants.

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I really don't know if what i'm about to say is unpopular, I think this issue sits on the populist camp. Whatever, I am in a salty mood today. I just want to say that having an exclusive vinyl release is totally BS. At least release a digital version months after. That I can agree with, I totally see why people want to release on vinyl, but give us digital guys a chance.

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SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by sg_57
P.S.: before anyone even points it out, yes there are thousands of very able and extremely talented musicians, composers and practitioners of creative electronic music today, but they aren't very high on the public's radar, and for the most part what they do just doesn't seem to register at all.


I find it extremely strange that you judge the health of electronic music based on what the "public" get to hear. Exactly when were large numbers of creative and talented electronic musicians in the public eye in the past?


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Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It's a nice post with some good points about the current state of dance music, but I think it's more that dance/electronic music has become more publicly popular in general while the "underground" side of it has remained fairly intact.

I think?

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