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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Um... Hitler was not a Christian. Sure, he was born to a Catholic mother but he stoped taking sacraments as a teen and eventually took on a form of Occultism as his religion. He did use pro-christian rhetoric in public addresses early in his career as a political tool and was supportive of the Church, also as a political tool, but he had intentions of ridding Germany of Christianing once it was no longer useful and pushing a return to Aryan Occultism. Claiming he was Christian is a pretty huge stretch. Moreover, your argument does not stand up... had he not used Christianity he would still have been able to use pan-germanic sentiment, nationalism, and racism (all of which featured far more prominately in his rhetoric then Christianity did) to accomplish his goals. It is probably more accurate to say that if the Church had taken strong opposition to Nazism then it would have been much harder for Hitler to obtain the support of a significant percentage of Germans; much the same as the communists in Poland faced a great deal of opposition from the fiercely Catholic populace who took their cues in rejecting communism from Rome.

Whether he really (was) a Christian is not something we would know for sure, because we can not read his mind, but it's basically completely irrelevant. The point is that he used Christian rhetoric and he had the church's support because he could find foundation for his ideas in the Bible.

If you can find support for evil deeds in a religious text, then the religious text is partially responsible for being used in that way. For example. when it says in the Quran that you should kill unbelievers, then the Koran is partially responsible if someone feels compelled to kill infidels, because he/she has read it there.

And i am not saying everything is bad.

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Originally posted by mr.bison

Skrillex Dub Step is more polemic than this video

Anyway, i think religion is control of life. This can ve very good for you or very bad.

I know some people that changed their lives (for a better life) because of religion.

Unfortunately, here in Brazil, there is some stupid human beings getting money from religious people and this pisses me off.

I respect people that take their religion seriously/with respect and i have the right to criticize religion because it's a choice like any other that you take in your life, people will criticize you or agree with you, so nothing wrong. Plus, this kind of discusion sometimes enlighten some minds

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Originally posted by Znack Whether he really (was) a Christian is not something we would know for sure, because we can not read his mind, but it's basically completely irrelevant. The point is that he used Christian rhetoric and he had the church's support because he could find foundation for his ideas in the Bible.

Actually, the church did not oppose him because he took policy positions that were favourable to them not because he took theologically sound positions.

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If you can find support for evil deeds in a religious text, then the religious text is partially responsible for being used in that way. For example. when it says in the Quran that you should kill unbelievers, then the Koran is partially responsible if someone feels compelled to kill infidels, because he/she has read it there. And i am not saying everything is bad.

You can't hold an idea responsible, even in part. You can't hold a book responsible, even in part. Kapital is not liable for the purging of the generals in the USSR, The White Man's Burden is not responsible for The Residential Schools abuse of Natives in Canada, The Catcher and the Rye did not lead directly to the murder of John Lennon, The Bible is not responsible for the hollocaust. Any attempt to argue to the contrary is absolute folly. Certainly, books can inspire deeds but you cannot credibly argue that a book is responsible for the deeds of a person.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Um... Hitler was not a Christian. Sure, he was born to a Catholic mother but he stoped taking sacraments as a teen and eventually took on a form of Occultism as his religion. He did use pro-christian rhetoric in public addresses early in his career as a political tool and was supportive of the Church, also as a political tool, but he had intentions of ridding Germany of Christianing once it was no longer useful and pushing a return to Aryan Occultism. Claiming he was Christian is a pretty huge stretch. Moreover, your argument does not stand up... had he not used Christianity he would still have been able to use pan-germanic sentiment, nationalism, and racism (all of which featured far more prominately in his rhetoric then Christianity did) to accomplish his goals. It is probably more accurate to say that if the Church had taken strong opposition to Nazism then it would have been much harder for Hitler to obtain the support of a significant percentage of Germans; much the same as the communists in Poland faced a great deal of opposition from the fiercely Catholic populace who took their cues in rejecting communism from Rome.

moral hazard knows.

a christian wouldn't murder or order the murder of jews.

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Originally posted by Mattinsanity moral hazard knows. a christian wouldn't murder or order the murder of jews.

Yeah, I'm not saying that... just that this particular person ordering the murder of these particular jews wasn't a Christian.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

wisdom on church signs *link clicky*

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by rdevito Unfortunately, here in Brazil, there is some stupid human beings getting money from religious people

Ou seja, eles são muito dos espertos, isso sim

Bem-vindo ao Chill-Out Room, fazia tempo que eu não via outro brasileiro por aqui

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Hey, Moral have you read Confessions by Saint Augustine.

From the very brief knowledge I have on Saints, he seems the most interesting to me at this time.

If you have read or have knowledge on the book is it a.good read?

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Originally posted by Lira Ou seja, eles são muito dos espertos, isso sim Bem-vindo ao Chill-Out Room, fazia tempo que eu não via outro brasileiro por aqui

Translate please

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But the subsequent collision of fools...
Well versed in the subtle art of slavery.

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Originally posted by Desiderata Hey, Moral have you read Confessions by Saint Augustine. From the very brief knowledge I have on Saints, he seems the most interesting to me at this time. If you have read or have knowledge on the book is it a.good read?

I've read confessions. Another cool church father to read is Origen.

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Originally posted by Desiderata Translate please

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Ou seja, eles são muito dos espertos, isso sim Bem-vindo ao Chill-Out Room, fazia tempo que eu não via outro brasileiro por aqui.

That is, they are smart asses, yes

Welcome to Chill-Out Room, had been a while since I saw another Brazilian here.