omfg I just had an epiphany (either that or I'm just way too tired).

You can't travel back in time because of what I said in my last post. The moment you reach the speed of light, you can't go any faster, simply because you can't give your speed a value due to time being at a standstill. So there you go, reaching the speed of light means you're fucked, because you can't slow down either, just the same way you can't speed up. So basically, you're stuck in this crazy ass hyperdrive mode of going really fast, but really, you have no speed. So wtf, whatever, all I know is you'd be screwed (you'd either cease to exist just because, or you'd sit there FOREVER).

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Originally posted by Turbonium btw, how in the hell is that a "quote of the week"? I don't get it, did it not make sense? Grammatically incorrect? Just a stupid quote?...

no, just a very good saying



all right, so we have concluded that when you reach the speed of light, time stops for you, relatively to the outside world, so doesn't that mean the universe's expansion will be infinitely fast and we'd never be able to reach our target. i don't see how we wouldn't be able to slow down though.

imo, we wouldn't be able to reach the speed of light at all, just come really close to it. we wouldn't reach it because, as you say, our time relative to 'their' time would be zero and our speed would be undefined...


but hey, what do i know, i'm not a physics major and i can't provide you with formulas to prove this stuff :-/

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Originally posted by moncster Time travel: Just a pinch of salvia away.

reading that salvia blotter thread too, i see?

and not just time travel, personal visits from the royal family included!

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Originally posted by whiskers reading that salvia blotter thread too, i see? and not just time travel, personal visits from the royal family included!

whiskers you dumb dumb head, I started that thread

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Originally posted by moncster whiskers you dumb dumb head, I started that thread

pardon, there were two, and i didn't realize you started both of them. but i have an excuse - it's past my bedtime
do you think albert einstein had a set bedtime?

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Originally posted by whiskers pardon, there were two, and i didn't realize you started both of them. but i have an excuse - it's past my bedtime do you think albert einstein had a set bedtime?

Of course not. Einstein had MUSTACHE POWER!!!

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Originally posted by moncster Of course not. Einstein had MUSTACHE POWER!!!

besides that, einstein had WACKY HAIR POWAH!!!











anyway, ahem, back on topic. what about traveling into other dimensions? quantum splintering? if such travel was possible, IMO, the world would become so much less interesting...

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Attaining the speed of light isn't necessarily the only way to travel back/forward in time. Black holes, wormholes, cosmic rifts, etc. all hold possibilities.

That John Titor story and the Grandfather paradox are some really good shit to think about.

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I spent an hour or so reading the posts by John Titor... facinating indeed, but almost certainly bullshit. I only skimmed through a lot of them but it keeps becoming more obvious that the story is baloney.

Does anyone remember the "War of the Worlds" thing? In 1938, before television, Orson Welles got on the radio and began announcing that martians were invading earth and taking over, but were doing it behind the scenes so no one could tell. He caused a genuine mass panic among what is today estimated over a million people. Many began to take up weapons and prepare for the defense. It continued to such a point that the gov't had to come in and calm peoples fears.

This time travel story reminds me of the same thing. Both provide shocking stories of human threats, both with an element of "suuuuure you say" sci-fi. The John Titor thing is riddled with huge holes and contradictions. He always provides enough information to make things seem real but seems to dodge hard questions that could prove it. Not to mention his physics and knowledge of time travel are ludicrous. Ill get to that later...

One of the biggest holes in the story I saw was that one of the rules he was assigned went along the lines of he would not divuldge information on the future (it may have been info that would benefit others directly, even still this is broken over and over). I cant remember the exact words, I only skimmed the whole thing for about an hour. But think about it. He says he is trying to benefit mankind by warning of the war so that they may avoid it.... on an internet forum? What good does this really do? Its like trying to put out a housefire with a thimble of water. But he turns around and in a message to someone says he thinks the war would be beneficial to humanity. Im sorry, but what kind of twisted morals beleive 3 billion dead in a nuclear war is beneficial to society? Human life should be valued above all, even if we live in a shit filled orwellian republican regime. And dont you find it odd that time and tmie again he refuses to predict short term events to prove himself, as not to break his rule or upset the balence of the universe, yet goes into great detail of future wars to come? He even gives detailed time lines, even exact days, of when major things will happen. Notice he doesnt mention a thing about 9-11, which is really the start of all this political nonsense. Also note he began posting his stories in November 2000, right in the middle of all this election bullshit. It would be prime opportunity to create a silly story of the downfall of American politics.

It also itches me how Russia just suddenly decides to start nuking the entire world in 2015 over a civil war in America. Russia even nukes Europe and China, then becomes the major trading partner with whats left of the US (apparantly they only nuked large cities, where one side of the civil war, the side of orwellian political regieme, existed). Do you not beleive that if Russia nuked Europe, China, AND the U.S. they would be erased from the fucking face of the earth 100x over by everyone who can build rockets? What would motivate them to do this anyways? And yet they remain a "major trading partner." I dont see how you can have major trade in a post nuclear world war era after 21 years.

And the most laughable of all things is his physics, especially that on time travel. Its ridiculous. Just look at this picture:



He claims this is a picture of his training in 2035. The laser beam is being bent by the gravity field, and is visible by the smoke coming from his "instructors" cigar. Anyone who has taken middle school science will fucking laugh at that. Theres a gravity field strong enough to fucking bend light 2 feet from your face and you arent being absolutely creamed by it? Absurd. Does he even know what gravity is??? Gravity is the attraction of positive and negative particles. The more MASS something has, the more gravity it creates. This is why Jupiter has such a gigantic gravity, the moon has little, and so on. In order to bend light you need a lot of fucking gravity!. You may be familiar with the term "event horizon." This defines the point surrouding a black hole at which the gravity is so strong, light can no longer escape. You know about space shuttles, right? How they need a certain amount of speed to propell themselves away from the gravitational forces of earth? Its the same for a black hole, as you get closer to the source of gravity you'll need more and more speed and thrust to escape its grip. Light travels at 186,000 miles per second. Imagine how strong gravity must be to trap something moving at 186,000 miles per second. Only huge black holes can create gravity fields this strong. These black holes form when GIGANTIC stars collapse on themselves, simply because theyre so huge. The stars it takes to create a sustainable black hole are many many times more massive than our own sun, which takes up more than 98% of ALL matter in our entire solar system! So you can get a good understanding of what kind of forces you need for a black hole. EVEN IF that machine can produce a small, localized field, its ability to bend the light would certainly also cause it to collapse itself as well. In fact, if anyone were ever to create a mini black hole that strong, it would probably consume the entire earth within seconds, if not the entire solar system. Also, each one of the "singularities" he claims to use for his black holes, would literally have to weigh about a billion metric tons EACH. And he claims to have two of these in one 500 lb suitcase. I find it absolutely incredible that in 33 years, after a 10 year civil war, and global nuclear world war, we will posess technology such as this (*cough*). Oh, and lets not get started on how grainy that picture is. If you look carefully, it looks like someone is shining a laser pointer (or even just a mini flashlight) into a car... you can kind of make out what looks like to be a rear-view mirror and door frame on the left. I could easily have taken that same picture, with a straight laser beam, threw it in photoshop, and with a simple application of the "swirl" filter, created the same effect. That laser pointer looks like it could be anything too. The beam could easily have been added on. And are we supposed to believe that in 2035, thats the best quality photo you can take?

I will admit I havent taken much on physics yet, though I am an intelligent person and I beleive even with my limited knowledge and education on the subject, I can provide accurate enough elementary physics. If anyone can prove/disprove what I said, I'd be glad if you would

One final tidbit of doubt: This is indeed a very elaborate ploy, with all the manual scans and pictures of the thing. But after digging around a bit I found the message board he originally posted on. It was none other than one for a website called the Time Travel Institute. Where better a place to pull off such a hoax? People there would readily belive much of it (at least more so than others). Also, seeing as its a fairly educated place, I could easily spend a few days reading there and obtain more than enough enough knowledge and theories to construct such a hoax.

So, I'll be taking these John Titor stories with a 50lb bag of salt. If it so happens a civil war breaks out in a year or two, I'll probably avoid big cities in 2015, but I aint holding my breath

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