quote:Originally posted by colonelcrisp the biggest flaw with their "theory" is that they have no data from the actual impact. all they have is the approach. which it may well describe the last heading, altitude and trajectory of the plane, it is not conclusive at all. planes flying at such low altitudes experience all sorts of wonky phenomena caused by the interaction with the airfoil and ground air currents. cold air pockets can cause vertical loss of altitude, downwash vaccum under the wings etc. there is no conclusive evidence to prove either side without the last 30 seconds of data. and frankly if the NTSB wanted to cover up a huge conspiracy, i doubt they would have made the data so obviously flawed that a bunch of pilots can figure out their ruse..... It's doubtful the NTSB altered the data from the FDR but then again it is possible they could have as well. They will not however answer why the light poles where knocked down since the data on the flight recorder shows that the plane was at a much higher altitude. Did you watch the video I posted a few posts back? It is the Pilots for Truth breakdown of the flight data recorder, Pandora's Black Box.
Thank goodness for people like Daniel Hopsicker!!!
quote:Originally posted by culorut Did you watch the video I posted a few posts back? It is the Pilots for Truth breakdown of the flight data recorder, Pandora's Black Box. No, he didn't watch it and neither did Shakka. They don't seem to be too interested in finding the truth.
quote:Originally posted by Trancer-X No, he didn't watch it and neither did Shakka. They don't seem to be too interested in finding the truth. They do not seem interested in facing denial. They seem much more happy lashing out at others with insults and those retarded and much overused tin foil hat pictures. Great way to win debates.
quote:Originally posted by Trancer-X No, he didn't watch it and neither did Shakka. They don't seem to be too interested in finding the truth. no its more that i find youtube and google CT videos about as reliable of a news source as CNN.......
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quote:Originally posted by colonelcrisp no its more that i find youtube and google CT videos about as reliable of a news source as CNN....... I think that you just don't want to hear any evidence to the contrary. Hosted By: London 9/11 Truth Group When: 08 Jun 2007, 19:00 Where: Mahatma Gandhi Hall, Indian YMCA 41 Fitzroy Square London, LO W1 United Kingdom A Challenge to Experts! Separating Facts from Fiction - Why the Official Account of 9/11 is contradicted by genuine Scientific Research with Gordon Ross and Calum Douglas at 7.00pm on Friday 8th June at The Mahatma Gandhi Hall, Indian YMCA, 41 Fitzroy Square, London W1 (nearest tube Warren St or Great Portland St). Admission Free We would to like warmly to invite you all to an evening with Gordon Ross, M.Eng and Calum Douglas. Gordon Ross holds two Engineering degrees and is author of several published scientific papers. Calum Douglas is an Engineering undergraduate from Oxford Brookes University and senior researcher at Pilots for 911 Truth. Mr Ross has been researching the collapse of the WTC towers and Mr Douglas provided exclusive date from the Flight Data Recorder of Flight 77 alleged to have impacted the Pentagon on 9/11. The pair will give an authoritative presentation of their research to a public audience in central London on the 8th of June. Their intended audience will be made up of both sceptics and interested parties who want to hear more. We invite you to join us, whether it is to challenge their analysis or to find out more about the debate over the science of 9/11, which the mainstream media has failed to address. http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org http://www.thepentacon.com http://ae911truth.org/
Very, very nice videoclip, Trancer ;-) especially the parts featuring the recorded phone conversations ;-) LOL Agh, the denial never ends!
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2 cents, because that's what political forums are about. I've had the argument before and here's where I end up. Those who point out that there was a cover up seem to spend a whole lot of time and money trying to be noisy but very little time or money on hiring engineers to model the event. I have yest to see more then a grade 9 science math based description of the fall of the towers. Noam Chompsky is recorded pointing out that if there was a cover up the amount of people involved and the massive scale of the operation suggest that there would be more concret evidence surfacing saying as much. I tend to agree with him on this point. Dispite the fan fare and at times poorly grounded fanatisism around the whole incident, the fall of WTC 7, the third building, IS quite suspect. I would be interested in seeing a couple of graduate level civil engineers spend 6 months to a year examining this occurance. The cost would be some where in the order of 250 - 500k to do.
quote:Those who point out that there was a cover up seem to spend a whole lot of time and money trying to be noisy but very little time or money on hiring engineers to model the event. I have yest to see more then a grade 9 science math based description of the fall of the towers. The government should have spent more money on studying the collapses in the first place. If they say the towers fell the way they did they could have spent more then they did on investigating Clinton over a blow job. If all you have read on the issue seems "grade 9ish" you need to start looking a little harder, there is plenty of solid material available. quote:Noam Chompsky is recorded pointing out that if there was a cover up the amount of people involved and the massive scale of the operation suggest that there would be more concret evidence surfacing saying as much. I tend to agree with him on this point. Chomsky is wrong, they have covered up many things for much longer then 9/11. In fact I think Chomsky is a pussy for backing out with that notion. quote:Dispite the fan fare and at times poorly grounded fanatisism around the whole incident, the fall of WTC 7, the third building, IS quite suspect. I would be interested in seeing a couple of graduate level civil engineers spend 6 months to a year examining this occurance. The cost would be some where in the order of 250 - 500k to do. Yes WTC7 was demolished just like WTC 1 and 2, NIST will be releasing their version of the WTC7 collapse some time this fall. Expect it to be highly revolved around the fact that there where the fuel tanks in the building which caused the perfectly symmetrical collapse. After almost 6 years they have had more then enough time to come up with more BS, the public does not need another biased 600 page fairy tale. It will be torn to shreds just like the 9/11 commission report.
quote:Originally posted by culorut If all you have read on the issue seems "grade 9ish" you need to start looking a little harder, there is plenty of solid material available. wrong. no peer review = you got nothing. quote:Originally posted by culorut Chomsky is wrong, they have covered up many things for much longer then 9/11. In fact I think Chomsky is a pussy for backing out with that notion. somehow im gonna listen to the musings of one of the world's great intellects over an under-educated child like yourself. quote:Originally posted by culorut Yes WTC7 was demolished just like WTC 1 and 2, NIST will be releasing their version of the WTC7 collapse some time this fall. Expect it to be highly revolved around the fact that there where the fuel tanks in the building which caused the perfectly symmetrical collapse. it was hardly perfectly symmetrical. that's about as bad as your people's contention that WTC1&2 fell on their own "footprint". yeah, coz their footprint was 400 feet in every direction. quote:Originally posted by culorut After almost 6 years they have had more then enough time to come up with more BS, the public does not need another biased 600 page fairy tale. It will be torn to shreds just like the 9/11 commission report. and yet your side of the argument still hasn't produced anything near the complexity of the NIST report. you'v had six years too. what's keeping you?
Yes 134 60.09% No 89 39.91% Stomping the majority huh? LOL.
quote:Originally posted by culorut Yes 134 60.09% No 89 39.91% Stomping the majority huh? LOL. which meant thrashing the little children like you around on this topic, even if most of you are too dense to even realise you're being beaten in the argument. for instance, your continued reference to what an internet poll on a music website says, like this somehow has some meaning? well it probably does for you, because you'll just store this piece of information away, and use it as "evidence" just like the scholars use and twist everything. keep it up child.
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