great logic here.

firefighters think guiliani is incompetent

therefore

there was a government conspiracy.

woohoo!! fight the power!!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN great logic here. firefighters think guiliani is incompetent therefore there was a government conspiracy. woohoo!! fight the power!!

Yes because that 200 million in gold was more important then the 121 firefighters who lost their lives trying to save the victims on 9/11. Once the gold was found they got rid of the evidence which included the firefighters and victims bodies.

Deliberately incompetent is more like it, money and politics was the important thing here and you are the craziest motherfukin troll on the planet if you cannot see it.

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Originally posted by culorut Yes because that 200 million in gold was more important then the 121 firefighters who lost their lives trying to save the victims on 9/11. Once the gold was found they got rid of the evidence which included the firefighters and victims bodies.

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Noam Chompsky is recorded pointing out that if there was a cover up the amount of people involved and the massive scale of the operation suggest that there would be more concret evidence surfacing saying as much. I tend to agree with him on this point.

I think this is the best argument on the whole debate. I've been on either side of the fence these past few years I just can't see how they would pull it off. They wouldn't be able to cover up this up for this long, considering how many people and resources they would need. And after reading books on intelligence, I doubt they'd be able to find enough competent people to go through with this and cover their tracks this well.

Having said that, I do think the US government did have some knowledge of it and chose not to act on it. It IS a little suspicious that even after repeated emergency warnings about an imminent strike dating back all the way to January 2001, the Bush Administration chose to ignore the warnings.

Also, those asking the conspiracy theorists to form a group of "experts" to investigate this. Give me a break. Why don't you ask them to figure out whether there's life on other planets while you're at it. This cannot be recreated accurately. It will also never be properly investigated, with complete transparency. Ever.

To be honest, we'll never, ever know the complete truth on this. At least, not for a few decades and by then, nobody will care.

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To be honest, we'll never, ever know the complete truth on this. At least, not for a few decades and by then, nobody will care.

We might never know the complete truth I agree but people do care. The very reason I posted the video is to show that people do care, they do not want incompetent people in power or running for president.

Giuliani lied on the record as seen in the video regarding the communication between the firefighters. They left out testimonies from others in the 9/11 commission report and cherry picked their lies only to be later published in the white wash book.

Sounds like there was much more to hide then just warnings from other countries about the attacks to NY.

Their modo, lie and keep lying while suppressing the truth. It has worked wonders for many years, until now.

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Originally posted by culorut We might never know the complete truth I agree but people do care. The very reason I posted the video is to show that people do care, they do not want incompetent people in power or running for president. Giuliani lied on the record as seen in the video regarding the communication between the firefighters. They left out testimonies from others in the 9/11 commission report and cherry picked their lies only to be later published in the white wash book. Sounds like there was much more to hide then just warnings from other countries about the attacks to NY. Their modo, lie and keep lying while suppressing the truth. It has worked wonders for many years, until now.

I'm reading "The Secret History of the CIA" right now. You're right. Lying has worked for years. Just like the "family jewels" that were released last month (which, btw, all of which were mentioned in this book a year before).

They lie to save face. Then release the truth at a time when it doesn't matter because most of the people involved are already dead. Just like with 9/11, we'll know so much more about it in 2020 than we do now.

Castro Suggests Washington Fails To Stop Attacks On US Soil To Justify War On Terror


Havana: Fidel Castro suggested that Washington has deliberately failed to stop terrorist attacks against Americans because it needed to "deliver a bang" that would justify its war on terror.

In the latest in a series of essays that Cuba's 80-year-old Maximum leader has begun writing every few days, Castro on Sunday seized on U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff's comments this past week expressing a "gut feeling" that the United States faces an increased risk of attack this summer.

"The government of the United States sees and hears all, with or without legal authority," Castro wrote. "They can prevent any attack on their people, unless there is some imperial need to deliver a bang so that they can carry on with and justify the brutal war which has been declared against the culture, religion, economy and independence of other peoples."

The accusation came at the end of an essay titled "Bush, Health and Education," in which Castro claimed Cubans are better cared for than Americans, and that his poor island nation and its legions of doctors working around Latin America have done more for the region than the U.S. ever will.

Published in the Communist Party youth newspaper Juventud Rebelde, the essay criticized U.S. President George W. Bush for suggesting that recent U.S. initiatives have provided quality medical care to Latin Americans.

"In Cuba, where health care is not a commodity, we can do things that Bush cannot even dream of," he wrote.

Castro singled out the USNS Comfort, a Navy medical ship staffed by hundreds of American doctors and nurses dispatched to treat the poor in Central America.

"Bush knows that he is lying and that his tall tales are hard to swallow, but he doesn't care," Castro wrote. "He is confident that if he repeats it a thousand times, many will finally believe him."

Castro said "The Comfort, with more than 800 people on board, that is, medical staff and crew, will not be able to look after great numbers of people." He added that despite Washington's 45-year-old trade embargo, "Bush is discovering that the economic and political system of his empire cannot compete with Cuba in vital services, such as health care and education."

Castro did not mention the recent U.S. movie "Sicko," in which filmmaker Michael Moore compares Cuba's health care system favorably to the United States'.

Recuperating in an undisclosed location, Castro has not been seen in public since announcing last July 31 that emergency intestinal surgery had forced him to cede power to a provisional government headed by his 75-year-old brother Raul.

For weeks he has published the frequent essays, known as "Reflections of the Commander in Chief," in which he has touched on issues ranging from U.S.-backed plans to use food crops for biofuels to complaints about Cuba's economy and hints about why his recovery is taking so long. Castro's writings seem to show he is in no hurry to return to power.

On Sunday, he also accused Washington of causing an international brain drain, saying that nearly half the foreigners who receive advanced schooling in the United States later opt to stay there.

"Third World countries do not have the resources to set up scientific research centers, while Cuba has created these even if its own professionals have often been enticed and encouraged to defect," Castro wrote.

The U.S. embargo prohibits American tourists from visiting Cuba while severely limiting trade between both countries. Castro claimed Washington uses the policy to discourage international medical equipment manufacturers from selling replacement parts to Cuban hospitals.

"It is disgusting," he wrote.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007...Cuba-Castro.php

Even my aquaintances in the OTO, Golden Dawn, and the handful of masons I know admit 9-11 was an inside job. LOL, you guys are fucking retarded.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Even my aquaintances in the OTO, Golden Dawn, and the handful of masons I know admit 9-11 was an inside job. LOL, you guys are fucking retarded.

How dare you say something like that?

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer How dare you say something like that?

LOL, what do you mean? Not everyone in a secret order is evil you know, although they are pretty deluded as to what their "fraternal brotherhood" is all about. One of the nicest guys I know is a gnostic hedonist in the Golden Dawn.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z LOL, what do you mean? Not everyone in a secret order is evil you know, although they are pretty deluded as to what their "fraternal brotherhood" is all about. One of the nicest guys I know is a gnostic hedonist in the Golden Dawn.

You should tell him he doesn't know what the hell he is doing if he is in a antiquated system like the Golden Dawn.


We've talked about this at length before. I'm fairly well versed in almost every form of western mysticism and the Golden Dawn. Although I don't consider them 'evil' as I'm into things that they would probably call 'evil' I just happen to believe that they are no longer relevant.

If you want I can elaborate upon this further however I cannot continue to do so in such a public manner so PM me if you want.

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