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Originally posted by Orbax I said it kills the enzymes in the food not in your body...the rest is just jibberish.

The fact that cooking and processing kills enzymes in food is not under debate. And to be honest I find most of your posts in this thread to be complete jibberish, as I have to read through them multiple times in order to understand what it is exactly your trying to convey.

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I doubt youve actually read any books with the specific topic being detox ...or anything regarding "debunking" the mythical and never-used behavior of 'fasting', but unless you have something solid to add youre just digging up an old thread to be an asshole.

The only thing solid I have to add is that there is no scientific evidence that "detox diets" and this method of fasting you describe actually do what they claim. That's about as solid as anything you've given.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil The fact that cooking and processing kills enzymes in food is not under debate.

then why bring it up

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The only thing solid I have to add is that there is no scientific evidence that "detox diets" and this method of fasting you describe actually do what they claim. That's about as solid as anything you've given.

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Originally posted by Orbax then why bring it up

I didn't.

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When you cook it all it kills the enzymes so your body must produce some to get the job done.


Which job? Enzymes are required for every chemical reaction in the human body.


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but it would take 2 of me to care less so im just gonna go ahead and drop it.

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Originally posted by Orbax When you cook it all it kills the enzymes so your body must produce some to get the job done. Which job? Enzymes are required for every chemical reaction in the human body. ------- but it would take 2 of me to care less so im just gonna go ahead and drop it.

In which instance I was asking which function or "job" performed by enzymes in the human body you were referring to, not whether cooking kills enzymes. Enzymes aid in performing many many jobs in our bodies. But I do agree that eating raw food is probably better than eating processed or cooked food, because it is easier to digest due to its enzymes. It would not require our body to produce its own enzymes to digest it, putting less strain on the pancreas. However, as long as you eat plenty of enzyme rich food you should be able to eat cooked or processed enzymeless food safely and without negative health effects, because the main problem concerning processed and cooked food is people simply not getting enough enzymes from raw food.

What all this has to do with going on an unhealthy water-only diet is beyond me.

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wow.. just read through this whole thread and i'm kind of at a loss for words. overall i understand what you're saying orbax and i'm gonna give it a try, and so is one of my friends.

anyway, i dont know which side to believe on this issue, but wtf.. whatever. i'll do it anyway and see how shit turns out. i have a fair amount of walking to do on wednesday and this weekend, especially friday and saturday night will equal a SHITLOAD of drinking so here's what i'm thinking i'm gonna do. if you're not TOO busy, correct any mistakes i might be making.

starting now i'm going on a water only diet through monday and tuesday. wednesday since i'll have to do a lot of walking, when i wake up i'll have some fruit before i leave and carry some water with me. then i'll continue with only water through friday in which i'm gonna eat only fruits and veggies during the day, all raw and then perhaps fish in the evening before partying, since i've partied on an empty stomach before and regreted it the next day. the fish will probably be grilled since raw just doesnt work for me. idk.. my system is way effed up but yeah.. i'll give this a try and report back on my findings. i know i can do it. theres hardly anyting to eat around here anyway, and what there is to eat is mostly healthy stuff.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil What all this has to do with going on an unhealthy water-only diet is beyond me.

This was also about general well-being. They basically realized that you have a limited amount of enzyme production. And when you eat really starchy stuff or super high glycemic items your pancreas has to go nuts and just flooding the stomach with enzymes. It had a lot to do with why old people can eat and eat and they just shit out broccoli chunks.

end point was that your body gets a pavlovian response to eating in general and when you start to eat it is already dumping enzymes in. So when you eat raw foods for a while, and supplement what you ARE eating that is processed with liquid aminos, your body lowers its output and you tend to live a lot longer.

so...they were connected by the first thing I said.

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If you dont think you eat very healthy generally, I would do monday fruit only, tues/wednes/thursday fasting and fruit friday morning, tuna fish sandwich for lunch, and a pretty decent meal for dinner.

Ive drank after fasting a couple of times hehe and you get wildly knocked off your gourd if you arent careful.

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end point was that your body gets a pavlovian response to eating in general and when you start to eat it is already dumping enzymes in. So when you eat raw foods for a while, and supplement what you ARE eating that is processed with liquid aminos, your body lowers its output and you tend to live a lot longer.

Says you? Live longer? Prove it. Eat all the raw food you want though, maybe you're right. I'm still not understanding why you think fasting is healthy in any way or why it's connected with any kind of physical well-being.

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its years of articles and books. Im not at my house right now so I cant give you titles and authors and stuff, but in the same way, im still not understanding why you dont think fasting is healthy in any way or why it's not connected with any kind of physical well-being.

At 10am this morning I had fasted for 60 hours and had 3.5 hours sleep since waking up on Saturday morning

Well, at least fasted from food, drink/drugs provided the little fuel I needed to make it home today

Time for a gigantic salad methinks

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hehe ive noticed some issues with sleep during fasting because your energy output is so low that you dont really get sleepy.

That salad should rock your socks. Do you guys have Costco yet?! they make the best salads.