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Originally posted by DJ Celica Personally, i HAVE received promo music from a few well known artists (i will not mention who they are for privacy reasons). If one of them sends me an exclusive track that isnt to be made public, I WILL keep my word on that.

So its one set of rules for the producers you know and another set for the unknowns. Fan-fucking-tastic

Shame you cant use that common sense approach to all producers. I would then take notice of your opinion

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Originally posted by DJ Celica I know you guys are just dying to hear what i have to say in my opinion, mp3 filesharing is inevitable. ESPECIALLY if someone gives out a "most wanted" single on vinyl before release. If you are giving a promo out, YOU are responsible for the consequences (ie: getting it ripped and shared all over the internet). I am just one of probably 5000+ people who have a copy of "Whirlpool vs Octagen - Alaska". and this is BECAUSE of a select group of people (they know who they are) who have ripped this promo vinyl that was given to them, and made it available all over the internet. Personally, i HAVE received promo music from a few well known artists (i will not mention who they are for privacy reasons). If one of them sends me an exclusive track that isnt to be made public, I WILL keep my word on that. If i get a track from somewhere else that i know any other person has access to, i treat it the same way as i found it (ie if its easily accessable to me, than its gonna be easily accessable to anyone else searching for it). If someone wants me to NOT share a tune then fine i wont. But, if its easily accessable to anyone else who wants it, then me removing it from my share WILL NOT effect the amount of times it gets downloaded by anyone else...this IS the age of mp3s (blah blah blah) and all in all its the same story over and over. the moral pretty much is if you dont want a track to become readily available to everyone on the internet, then be aware of where the promos are going before release or just dont give any out at all...better safe than sorry! Aaron

Ditto... my thoughts exactly. Adaptability is the key word here, as mp3's are here to stay and there is no changing that. Producers and labels need to find some way to adapt to the changing times. This is why the RIAA is suing people. They did not embrace the internet and the new mediums thru which people get their music and look at the backlash.

I download mp3's constantly and think nothing of it. I also am a bedroom dj and have spent $3000+ on equipment and 95 records so far. I use p2p as a gateway to learn about new and different tracks. The ones I like, I will try to buy at some point. This leads me to another scenario, which is availability.

I live in the US, not England, so I don't have access to private record shops on every street corner. So, I have to buy everything online. Many online record stores are always out of stock of the tracks I'm looking for. So, how exactly am I supposed to buy some of these tracks if every store I look is out of stock? Also, another problem is that retail vinyls take too long to be released, if at all. I'm still waiting for Chris Fortier's single "Losing Wait" to be released after about 2 years. Looks like I'll have to stick with my mp3 rips of this song. CD's are another pain in my ass. Half of the compilations/artist albums I want are all imports, and are bitchin expensive, not to mention alot of these are out of stock as well. This leaves only one alternative, and that is p2p until I am able to find a record/cd available.

MP3's are not killing the scene, they are helping EDM to be heard and recognized.

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue I live in the US, not England, so I don't have access to private record shops on every street corner. So, I have to buy everything online. Many online record stores are always out of stock of the tracks I'm looking for. So, how exactly am I supposed to buy some of these tracks if every store I look is out of stock? Also, another problem is that retail vinyls take too long to be released, if at all. I'm still waiting for Chris Fortier's single "Losing Wait" to be released after about 2 years. Looks like I'll have to stick with my mp3 rips of this song. CD's are another pain in my ass. Half of the compilations/artist albums I want are all imports, and are bitchin expensive, not to mention alot of these are out of stock as well. This leaves only one alternative, and that is p2p until I am able to find a record/cd available. MP3's are not killing the scene, they are helping EDM to be heard and recognized.

All i see is your blaming record stores for not having enough stock so your so called 'forced' to resort to mp3s.

If you wanted the track bad enough to order online you would get it the day it came in, as its out of stock your using that as an excuse.

This way labels can never win or prosper with individuals complaining.

If it isnt price, its time to get it out there, if it isnt that its they havent pressed enough to cope with the demand.

I'm sure all these people who harp on about p2p would have a different opinion on the matter if they owned a record label. Anyone who says they don't is talking bullshit

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I live in the US, not England, so I don't have access to private record shops on every street corner. So, I have to buy everything online. Many online record stores are always out of stock of the tracks I'm looking for. So, how exactly am I supposed to buy some of these tracks if every store I look is out of stock? Also, another problem is that retail vinyls take too long to be released, if at all. I'm still waiting for Chris Fortier's single "Losing Wait" to be released after about 2 years. Looks like I'll have to stick with my mp3 rips of this song. CD's are another pain in my ass. Half of the compilations/artist albums I want are all imports, and are bitchin expensive, not to mention alot of these are out of stock as well. This leaves only one alternative, and that is p2p until I am able to find a record/cd available. MP3's are not killing the scene, they are helping EDM to be heard and recognized.

No excuse.
I get sent promos by promo companies and labels, normally a month before release- but 99% of the time I will have the test press months before that when they are hard to find.
I get the majority from online shops- with worldwide shipping being offered at reasonable rates there is no excuse.
How do i make money selling records? i know whats coming out and when. I know where to get it, and most importantly i know i have to get it fast or miss out.
example? Bangalter/falcon/eric prydz- 'call on me'. I got 25 white copies back 5 or 6 months ago when no one wanted to know about it, as i knew from playing this out and the buzz it was going to be huge. Result was, i was the only person selling them, and was able to charge a lot for them due to demand. Ive had 5 copies of the official release mix promo arrive today- like gold dust at the moment, but again, i know where and when to go.
Even using ebay you can usually turn up what you want.

Oh, mercedes have a year waiting list on their new E class AMG- but ill go steal one because i cant find one sooner legitimately. Its a fucked up analogy but its the same principle

If djing and/or music is your passion then step up your game a bit.
Christ, heaven forbid you would enjoy hunting out the hottest tunes and crate digging. I LOVE it- its half the fun turning to a mate when hes raving about a tune he cant get hold of and seeing his face when you show him the test press.

The dance scene was doing fine ( it was doing better to be honest!) before p2p arrived, so thats no excuse.

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- there's already next to no money in running a label.

Then why are there so many?

Same reason there are so many djs.
The love of doing it, and ifit takes off you can make good money. Luck,hard work, right place+ right time. Knowing your records and knowing your market.
Its the same theory

theyre a way of life now, and sadly people dont see the good side of them. the fact ur tracks are promoted for free all over the world, listened to people who then buy the record. for every one person who downloads the track and would of actually bought the record in the first place and didnt, there is about 10 who would never of heard/bought the record did buy it.

people either download for convienience but never would have bought anyway - or hear the track, like it and buy it.

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agreed -^

this is my conclusion of this matter:

in the EDM scene now-a-days, producers will not make money by just producing. the music you produce will make you popular and give you a chance to go on tour as a dj or a live act. seriously, i dont think dj/producers make much money on their productions anymore, its just used to gain popularity so they can boost their DJing career.

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Originally posted by Tranceguy1 So what your saying is...you wanted a free listen before spending your cash, meaning if you hadn't liked either CD, you wouldn't have gone out and bought them? Back in the day there were no "free listens" you had to buy the album THEN decide if it was trash. So I'm sorry but thats still part of the problem, not the solution.

You damn right I wanted a free listen. mp3 samples aren't good enough for some people. Some 64kb sample that only lasts 30 seconds is not going to hold me over. And cdnow.com only lets you sample the first 5 tracks of an album or so. If I have access to a free listen you better believe I'm going to give it a go. It would be stupid not to from the buyers standpoint. The fact of the matter is that after giving each of these albums the once or twice over, I DID buy them despite the fact that I had high quality rips of them on my HDD.

You're right, back in the day you didn't have a free listen. Sucks to have lived back in the day. I friggin hate it when you buy an album to support an artist only to find out that their entire album sucks ass and the only song which was worth a go was the one which got air time on the radio. Honestly there are many albums that had I got a free listen, there is no way in hell I would have bought because the single would have been good enough for me. I buy, but I only buy what my ears deem quality. You want me to drop $15 or more on your CD, as an artist you better be working your ass off to produce quality choonage because when I'm in the music store, my hard earned dollars are about to become your hard earned dollars.

You criticize me and say that sampling the album is part of the problem. Well in your opinion that's fine, but in my opinion both sides won out. The artist got money from my pocket, and I got a couple of CDs which I really liked knowing ahead of time that I wouldn't be kicking myself in the ass for having spent over $100 on a few albums that weren't worth the cash. You say it's unfair that I got a free listen. I say it's unfair when an artist puts out a shit album and the only quality track is the one that makes the livesets or mainstream etc...

Freak & Frase,

I think you probably get the impression that I am the scum of the earth for downloading, so let me rephrase. Like I said before, I use mp3's as a gateway to discover new and different music. If I like something I download, I'll buy it. It may not be right away, but I do add it to my want list. As of right now though, I need to prioritize my money for college. $400 for books is not cheap. So, what do you want: for me to stop listening to EDM if I'm going to download it, or to download, listen, and buy when I get the chance?

I am only a bedroom dj, not a fully working club dj. Therefore, that sort of limits myself a bit. I would "step up my game", and I plan to, as I will have much more free time this year in college. See, I don't get sent promos and white labels like many of you. I'm not of that calibur of dj'ing yet. Sure, I could order some, but many new tracks as of late have not really sparked my interest. Many of the older tracks I am hunting for and those are the ones I am talking about being out of stock, not brand new releases. Ebay is where I turn for most of my music, btw. Also, maybe my taste in music has something to do with it. See, I am into deep house & lo-fi (ie. Timewriter & Sven van Hees) and deep, dark progressive. Please consider that some of this type of material is not circulated as well as the Armin/Tiesto type trance.

I am not "forced" to resort to mp3's, I was just using Chris Fortier's track as an example, seeing as how that track will probably never get a release.

Also, realize that I live in Central Pennsylvania, Harrisburg to be exact. I can't go crate digging even though I would love to.

One last thing, please consider the term "frame of reference". I'm telling you like it is for me, of course it's different for both of you guys, you live in a country where dance music prospers. For me, those things I said in my last post are my reasons. It's just the same, I don't run a record label, so I don't have a frame of reference in that area. I still can't see though, why you criticize me. I do buy my music and will continue doing so.

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