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Slylee
love lockdown

Registered: May 2001
Location: Hollywood, FL
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| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
It's not a matter of respecting it, it's a matter of discussing it. If you don't want to justify or explain your beliefs, then why bring them into the discussion? If you can't prove your beliefs or support them with material evidence, then why do you hold those beliefs? If it's faith, then why do you have faith? If you don't want to discuss your beliefs, then you should leave them out of a discussion. |
justify my beliefs? lol that was my whole point...i can't really. the believers are at a disadvantage in this discussion because it's all based on faith (see my definition). i can believe in whatever i want to, and for whatever reason. i just happened to be raised in an irish catholic family and so i was brought up to have God in my life. i'm not a diehard catholic though...in fact i'm pretty ashamed of the catholic church...but that's a whole other story.
i'm just spiritual now...but i do sin every day...i still pray though and try my hardest to do the right thing. i may not have had that choice as a child (chosing not to believe in god), but i've grown into an adult and now i have the freedom to chose whatever belief i want...i'm comfortable believing that there is a higher power and we all exist for a reason beyond our comprehension in this life.
you can beat this till it's beyond dead, and we still won't get anywhere...we'll find out when we die. that's all there is to it.
is that good enough?
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| quote: | Originally posted by notelfreak
man i can't believe i tried to come off as responsible in that other thread, i am so full of shit just don't tell anyone |
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Sep-14-2004 16:17
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NiteMer
Prog/Trance Ambassador

Registered: Jun 2004
Location: Denver, CO
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Look. I don't care what the establishment known as the "Church" does. Many horrible things have been done over time, in the name of God, wrongly. That's why I don't put much stock in bureaucracies like the Catholic Church. I think that Church is a good thing and fellowship is highly important, but the Crusades, indulgences, etc., were all wrong. I'm not saying there aren't true believers that align themselves with Catholicism. I am just saying that the pope is a mere man/mortal. He is equally flawed as any of us, inately. As far as other beliefs and "hell". That is focusing on the wrong message completely. God's message is about love and forgiveness and sacrifice, not God sending people to hell. That's not how it works. God cannot be with sin. It is a paradox as he is sin free. But if you are offered a gift, you have the choice of whether or not to receive it. Obviously all of you have heard about it, then you make your choice. I am not gonna judge that decision, by any means, but you have the option. If you choose to deny it, you have your own consequences. But, you don't have to worry about that if you're right. I am not telling you what to think.
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Sep-14-2004 16:22
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