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Originally posted by DJRYAN™ I just wanna figure out more about hi-hats, rides, claps, and snares, and how to create different rhythms..

My advice, throw the kick in last.

Make a driving groove with loads of elements first, then fit a kick to that.

Don't always work, but it can yield some awesome percussion when you're not focusing the elements around a solid slab of low end.

So get some great sounding sample THAT WORK WELL TOGETHER and start creating a grove, maybe throw some shuffle on.

Then find a really nice kick that compliments the vibe you have made and drop it in, it can make some fucking amazing percussion. For more drive add sidechain as usual.

Experiment Ryan. There is no wrong in music.

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 Experiment Ryan. There is no wrong in music.

Use the force Ryan...

I personally love drum programming. I have a hard time making a drum beat that sits well in a mix though, after an hour or so of drum programming I have a really full beat, but noting can sit on top of it. :/ So don't go overboard.

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usually I include percussion elements because they have to be there. I just want my elements now to be more ryhthmic and have more groove.

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Originally posted by DJRYAN™ usually I include percussion elements because they have to be there. I just want my elements now to be more ryhthmic and have more groove.

Hence why you throw the kick in last.

Trust me. You'll enjoy the results. I'll throw a video together if not and show you the way Ryan.

I love you man.

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 Hence why you throw the kick in last.

This is awesome and I've been using it for awhile now. The only problem you might run into is that your beat will be built around a different step than just 1, 5, 9, and 13. Occasionally you'll put a sound that acts as a steady beat if you will,. and it will be on, say, the 2 step. All that means though is you have to shift it to match the kick, but that's a very small disadvantage anyways.

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 Hence why you throw the kick in last.

I used to just not put any percussion on the beat, and it sounded absolutely horrible. It sounded especially bad when I tried to "spice things up" by putting a lot of hits on the A's and E's.

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Originally posted by DJRYAN™ usually I include percussion elements because they have to be there. I just want my elements now to be more ryhthmic and have more groove.

I find quiet interviening kicks set around the main 4/4 kick is a great rythmic enhancer. Then find some wierd but groovy tom or similar and find unusual places to fit it in.

I process each and every sound as I go, and often apply a lot of processing and dynamics to hats. Hatz have to be treated with great care imo and can ruin a track by making it subconsiously robotic and bland.

Choice of open hat sound can make a massive difference to groove. Often use another open hat sound to play on every other open hat event if you want a cool feel.

Something I learned only recently (from my partner in crime) is that bass is often more a rythmic than an instrumental element.

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so if your bass contains rhythm and then you create percussion to match it then one should have more rhythmic percussion?

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Originally posted by DJRYAN™ so if your bass contains rhythm and then you create percussion to match it then one should have more rhythmic percussion?

The result IS more rhythmic percussion, as the perc fits the rhythm of the bassline. You can make some groovy perc but added properly to some rhythmic bass = a groove bigger than the sum of it's parts.

The tracks that always have the most drive and groove are those where the two are matched to enhance each other.

Bear in mind, loops are your friend; Get a decent perc groove going then try dropping some loops over it - it can take years to perfect but after a while you just know what is going to fit and enhance it and what is going to detract from it. And what you learn from that, can then help you program your own perc from scratch.