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Originally posted by Trancer-X ...

Yeah, well, money doesn't buy happiness, but it's certainly easier to be happy when you have it than when you don't. Unfortunately some people take that to extremes and dedicate their entire lives to earning money for the sole purpose of earning money, yet they live in conditions not much better than those of homeless people. Like my dad who has about 300 000 $ deposited in a bank yet he is too stingy to buy himself a carpet so he has his floors covered in empty flour sacks. And he's wondering why I'm not living with him...

PS. I like the effort you put in making your posts written in all those pretty colors.

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Originally posted by wolverine16 It all goes back to the equation: 9/11 + X = Shut up (X = whatever the Bush administration says)

Daily Show

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Last edited by igottaknow on Jan-15-2005 at 15:35

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Originally posted by Q5echo the uranium purchase was a fact.

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB80/

interesting timeline which includes:

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Document 10a: Forged correspondence to Minister of Foreign Affairs, Republic of Niger, concerning visit to Niger by Iraqi ambassador to the Vatican, February 1, 1999.

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Document 10b: Forged correspondence within Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Republic of Niger, concerning transfer of uranium to Iraq, July 30, 1999.

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Document 10c: Forged letter to the President, Republic of Niger, concerning agreement to supply 500 tons of uranium per year to Iraq, July 27, 2000.

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Document 10d: Forged letter to the Niger Ambassador to Italy, concerning protocol of agreement to supply uranium to Iraq, October 10, 2000.

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The only publicly acknowledged evidence for the claim that Iraq had tried to acquire uranium from Africa, which President Bush made in his January 28, 2003 State of the Union address, based on British intelligence information, are these documents that were claimed to have been official correspondence involving officials of the Republic of Niger. The charge that Iraq had sought to purchase uranium had been deleted from a previous speech due to the CIA's objection that the information had not been confirmed. Documents 10a-10d were all determined to be crude forgeries - which included names and titles that did not match the individuals who held office at the time the letters were purportedly written - although the British government has insisted it has additional information that would support the claim that Iraq was seeking to purchase uranium. The inclusion of the claim in the State of the Union despite its removal from an earlier speech, combined with the revelation of the forged documents, produced further criticism of the Bush administration and CIA Director George Tenet. Tenet, and then the president, took responsibility for the inclusion of the unvetted information. An FBI investigation into the apparent forgery that commenced in the spring of 2003 is now "at a critical stage" according the Washington Post (Mike Allen and Susan Schmidt, "Bush Aides Testify in Leak Probe," Washington Post, Tuesday, February 10, 2004; Page A01).

or is there another uranium purchase that bush didn't report that'd you care to enlighten us about?

otherwise i'll stick to these straightened facts

edit: one reportedly forged document used in 60 minutes = rathergate

four determined forgeries used as a basis for proving a country has a nuclear weapons program and substantiates justification to invade said country = tenet gets the presidential medal of freedom

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Originally posted by igottaknow Daily Show

That's awesome! I had never seen that!

Thanks!

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Originally posted by ResonantDrag four determined forgeries used as a basis for proving a country has a nuclear weapons program and substantiates justification to invade said country = tenet gets the presidential medal of freedom

Yeah, they award those who further their cause.

Condi is a prime example!

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Originally posted by igottaknow Daily Show

Nice, now I can watch that all day long!

Also we haven't even mentioned Chalabi, who now conveniently we don't want anything to do with and Jordan is looking to put him on trial. Not to mention he's given some of our information to Iran.

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I found a summary article on the AP. After some searching I found the source article on the Washington Post and reposted it here. I'm curious for everyone's response on it.

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Bush Says Election Ratified Iraq Policy No U.S. Troop Withdrawal Date Is Set By Jim VandeHei and Michael A. Fletcher Washington Post Staff Writers Sunday, January 16, 2005; Page A01 President Bush said the public's decision to reelect him was a ratification of his approach toward Iraq and that there was no reason to hold any administration officials accountable for mistakes or misjudgments in prewar planning or managing the violent aftermath. "We had an accountability moment, and that's called the 2004 elections," Bush said in an interview with The Washington Post. "The American people listened to different assessments made about what was taking place in Iraq, and they looked at the two candidates, and chose me." With the Iraq elections two weeks away and no signs of the deadly insurgency abating, Bush set no timetable for withdrawing U.S. troops and twice declined to endorse Secretary of State Colin L. Powell's recent statement that the number of Americans serving in Iraq could be reduced by year's end. Bush said he will not ask Congress to expand the size of the National Guard or regular Army, as some lawmakers and military experts have proposed. In a wide-ranging, 35-minute interview aboard Air Force One on Friday, Bush laid out new details of his second-term plans for both foreign and domestic policy. For the first time, Bush said he will not press senators to pass a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, the top priority for many social conservative groups. And he said he has no plans to cut benefits for the approximately 40 percent of Social Security recipients who collect monthly disability and survivor payments as he prepares his plan for partial privatization. Bush was relaxed, often direct and occasionally expansive when discussing his second-term agenda, Iraq and lessons he has learned as president. Sitting at the head of a long conference table in a cabin at the front of the presidential plane, Bush wore a blue Air Force One flight jacket with a red tie and crisp white shirt. Three aides, including his new communications adviser, Nicolle Devenish, accompanied him. With his inauguration days away, Bush defended the administration's decision to force the District of Columbia to spend $12 million of its homeland security budget to provide tighter security for this week's festivities. He also warned that the ceremony could make the city "an attractive target for terrorists." "By providing security, hopefully that will provide comfort to people who are coming from all around the country to come and stay in the hotels in Washington and to be able to watch the different festivities in Washington, and eat the food in Washington," Bush said. "I think it provides them great comfort to know that all levels of government are working closely to make this event as secure as possible." The president's inaugural speech Thursday will focus on his vision for spreading democracy around the world, one of his top foreign policy goals for the new term. But it will be Iraq that dominates White House deliberations off stage. Over the next two weeks, Bush will be monitoring closely Iraq's plan to hold elections for a 275-member national assembly. He must also deliver his State of the Union address with a message of resolve on Iraq, and he will need to seek congressional approval for about $100 billion in emergency spending, much of it for the war. In the interview, the president urged Americans to show patience as Iraq moves slowly toward creating a democratic nation where a dictatorship once stood. But the relentless optimism that dominated Bush's speeches before the U.S. election was sometimes replaced by pragmatism and caution. "On a complicated matter such as removing a dictator from power and trying to help achieve democracy, sometimes the unexpected will happen, both good and bad," he said. "I am realistic about how quickly a society that has been dominated by a tyrant can become a democracy. . . . I am more patient than some." Last week, Powell said U.S. troop levels could be reduced this year, but Bush said it is premature to judge how many U.S. men and women will be needed to defeat the insurgency and plant a new and sustainable government. He also declined to pledge to significantly reduce U.S. troop levels before the end of his second term in January 2009. "The sooner the Iraqis are . . . better prepared, better equipped to fight, the sooner our troops can start coming home," he said. Bush did rule out asking Congress to increase the size of the National Guard and regular army, as many lawmakers, including the president's 2004 opponent, Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.), are urging. "What we're going to do is make sure that the missions of the National Guard and the reserves closely dovetail with active army units, so that the pressure . . . is eased." A new report released last week by U.S. intelligence agencies warned that the war in Iraq has created a training ground for terrorists. Bush called the report "somewhat speculative" but acknowledged "this could happen. And I agree. If we are not diligent and firm, there will be parts of the world that become pockets for terrorists to find safe haven and to train. And we have a duty to disrupt that." As for perhaps the most notorious terrorist, Osama bin Laden, the administration has so far been unsuccessful in its attempt to locate the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Asked why, Bush said, "Because he's hiding." While some terrorism experts complain U.S. allies, such as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, could do more to help capture the al Qaeda leader, Bush said he could not name a single U.S. ally that is not doing everything possible to assist U.S. efforts. "I am pleased about the hunt, and I am pleased he's isolated," Bush said. "I will be more pleased when he's brought to justice, and I think he will be." Bush acknowledged that the United States' standing has diminished in some parts of the world and said he has asked Condoleezza Rice, his nominee to replace Powell at the State Department, to embark on a public diplomacy campaign that "explains our motives and explains our intentions." Bush acknowledged that "some of the decisions I've made up to now have affected our standing in parts of the world," but predicted that most Muslims will eventually see America as a beacon of freedom and democracy. "There's no question we've got to continue to do a better job of explaining what America is all about," he said. On the domestic front, Bush said he would not lobby the Senate to pass a constitutional amendment outlawing same-sex marriage. While seeking reelection, Bush voiced strong support for such a ban, and many political analysts credit this position for inspiring record turnout among evangelical Christians, who are fighting same-sex marriage at every juncture. Groups such as the Family Research Council have made the marriage amendment their top priority for the next four years. The president said there is no reason to press for the amendment because so many senators are convinced that the Defense of Marriage Act -- which says states that outlaw same-sex unions do not have to recognize such marriages conducted outside their borders -- is sufficient. "Senators have made it clear that so long as DOMA is deemed constitutional, nothing will happen. I'd take their admonition seriously. . . . Until that changes, nothing will happen in the Senate." Bush's position is likely to infuriate some of his socially conservative supporters, but congressional officials say it will be impossible to secure the 67 votes needed to pass the amendment in the Senate. Yesterday morning, the day after the interview, White House spokesman Scott McClellan called to say the president wished to clarify his position, saying Bush was "willing to spend political capital" but believes it will be virtually impossible to overcome Senate resistance until the courts render a verdict on DOMA....

The article goes on to discuss Social Security, Medicare, and other domestic topics

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Originally posted by BigManwithaPlan Hey... I just found this article of the AP and was curious for everyone's response on it. I'll add my own thoughts on it later. [/COLOR]

true, but 49% of the population doesn't see things that way

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Originally posted by BigManwithaPlan I found a summary article on the AP. After some searching I found the source article on the Washington Post and reposted it here. I'm curious for everyone's response on it.

Oops caught this after I opened a new thread.

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Originally posted by Sunsnail true, but 49% of the population doesn't see things that way

That's the only reason I'm able to sleep at night.

Search ain't over until someone does an anal cavity search of Saddam!

Problem is they haven't found a volunteer yet.


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