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Originally posted by Sunsnail True I guess........ I think we should wait until they can come up with some hard data on how damaged the area is.

Being an insurance adjuster and having dealt with large water claims I can tell you right now that anything that is wet for this period of time.....even if it is clean water....is going to be ruined.

Personally, I think they are going about it all wrong....the clean up needs to be done in phases and you can't start one phase without first completing the phase before.

1. Get all survivors out of there...nothing else can start until they get the survivors out.

2. Fix the leves. Water will continue to enter until the leves are fixed.

3. Get the water out of there

4. Get power up and running

5. Start clean up and rebuilding phase

6. Allow people back into the area

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Yes.... but 20% of the city (which contains the french quarter I believe...) is not in contact with water

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Originally posted by igottaknow I agree with most everything you said except for the last part. Its the role of the Federal Government to plan for these things and coordinate a quick and massive response. So far they have done very little. To me that’s not surprising because they seem to care very little for individuals and even less for the poor. Its really an indightment on the social support system or lack of in this country.

I don't disagree, but you can't remove fault from the state of Louisiana's Government, as well as the New Orleans government (to some extent). With the amout we pay in state taxes, they should also have some emergency supplies...

this is a very delicate position right now ..

as much as i hate what is going on here, you have to face the fact that it is happening right now .. it's only those dumb gangbangers wanting to steal petty material, rather than thinking about their lives ..

if this hurricane hit a big crime city, such as d.c., atlanta, nyc, etc ..., the same things would happen .. should we say shoot all the gang members ?? how do we differentiate a gang member from a dying civilian ??

and we cannot say it is 100% black community .. whoever says that is a stereotypical b!tch, because i saw many types of people stealing and shooting in the streets ,, white .. latino .. asian .. so case closed .

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Its human nature to point fingers...there are a million other things we'll never think of to blame for this....u cant prepare for em all. These looters and random shooters are just fucken rediculous...i thought i wouldve seen something like this on family guy or simpsons or something...but no...its on the network news stations. Its pitiful too see that these idiots can still project thier imaginary world when its all 20 feet underwater. The Government should isolate the problem so this doesnt continue to affect other state economies, get the people out of there ffs...and start shooting waves of bullets at the remaining looters and "finders".

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If we want to put blame somewhere...then I hate to say it but lets blame the people who got themselves stuck in New Orleans. They had over 24 hours from the time the initial evacuation call went out and they didn't leave. If they would have left then they wouldn't be in this situation.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Being an insurance adjuster and having dealt with large water claims I can tell you right now that anything that is wet for this period of time.....even if it is clean water....is going to be ruined. Personally, I think they are going about it all wrong....the clean up needs to be done in phases and you can't start one phase without first completing the phase before. 1. Get all survivors out of there...nothing else can start until they get the survivors out. 2. Fix the leves. Water will continue to enter until the leves are fixed. 3. Get the water out of there 4. Get power up and running 5. Start clean up and rebuilding phase 6. Allow people back into the area

Kudos. Best response on the board. The State nor Feds couldn't send in normal immediate relief because the damn town was flooding. Police couldn't really arrest folks because they had no where to jail them. ARNG had to mobilize at home stations with equipment and self surviving essentials before deploying. Don't know how disaster coud've been avoided other than money spent on strengtening the levee system well before the storm hit; it was literally a disaster just waiting to happen. Residents were also warned well in advance that the catastrophe was coming...


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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced If we want to put blame somewhere...then I hate to say it but lets blame the people who got themselves stuck in New Orleans. They had over 24 hours from the time the initial evacuation call went out and they didn't leave. If they would have left then they wouldn't be in this situation.

Okay buddy. These people are the poorest of the poor. They don't have vehicles. Many others have sick loved ones that couldn't be moved easily.

I'm sure some just chose to stay, but I can almost guarantee most would've left if they could've.

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Originally posted by guster Okay buddy. These people are the poorest of the poor. They don't have vehicles. Many others have sick loved ones that couldn't be moved easily. I'm sure some just chose to stay, but I can almost guarantee most would've left if they could've.

No, the ones stuck there erred on the side of stupidity. They gambled on minor damage from an incoming CAT 5 Hurricane, and are dealing with the consequences. They could've walked out of the town (like they're doing now), but could've easily gotten a ride out as well. So I'd say remaining residents in New Orleans are either stupid gamblers or just plain stupid.... Don't throw the poor factor on us, please.


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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced 1. Get all survivors out of there...nothing else can start until they get the survivors out. 2. Fix the leves. Water will continue to enter until the leves are fixed. 3. Get the water out of there 4. Get power up and running 5. Start clean up and rebuilding phase 6. Allow people back into the area

yep. i think this IS the plan. It's a gargantuan undertaking though. Could take 12 months.

For people not leaving...i remember reading the exact phrase was "some die hard's will remain"...and that's what they're doing....to the word

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Originally posted by guster Okay buddy. These people are the poorest of the poor. They don't have vehicles. Many others have sick loved ones that couldn't be moved easily. I'm sure some just chose to stay, but I can almost guarantee most would've left if they could've.

I agree...there are those who had no choice.....the sick who were stuck in hospitals and those taking care of the sick could not leave. That being said.....the state or the federal government should have made arrangements to get those people out of there prior to the hurricane.

As for the poor....I am sure they could have found a way to leave. Just because you don't have a car doesn't mean there are not other ways to get out of town.

I guarantee there is a large number of people who did not leave because they didn't think it was going to be that bad or those that wanted a chance to get some cheap goods. I have no sympathy for those individuals. They elected to stay and they should have to deal with the decision they made.

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incidentally with the pot shots from pop rifles bought from corner shops, does this mean gun laws will be re considered?

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