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Originally posted by Shamez214
The object of the game of baseball as a hitter is to NOT make an out. Sure, Dunny strikes out more than anyone else. BUT... he gets on base more than, almost, every one else. Dunn makes an out 6/10 at-bats, where as most other players make outs 6.6/10 at-bats. But, I realize this argument is a lost cause.
I read moneyball too and the philosophy makes sense but I still have a varying opinion on it. For starters, the Oakland A's haven't won a single championship with that philosophy. Billy Beane's biggest diciple, Paul Depodesta, pretty much failed as a G.M. It does make a huge point in that it's about scoring runs. Not about batting average and how that's an overrated statistic. Dunn does have a high OBP but his OPS in comparison isn't nearly as great. Juiceambi back then was the Oakland A's perfect hitter with producing runs and the massive OBP.
Mostly about not making outs is Billy Beane believing that sacrifice bunts and attempted steals are detrimental to scoring runs by statistical average. You don't give away outs... ever. But there's something to be said about Hideki Matsui who hits 20 less homers than Adam Dunn but drives in more runs. Matsui still has a good OBP but he is able to pick his spots to hit more to score more runs.
I think of it this way also.. a walk is 1 base. A double is two bases and closer to scoring. I want the guy that gets on base and doesn't chase pitches but also a guy that can lace a double as well. Not just merely a K or HR.
About Soriano, tough to say that he's actually gonna except playing in the OF cuz he's a free agent after this year and an decent hitting OF won't command as much money as a eye popping hitting second baseman. He has refused to move into the OF before so who knows what happens. Plus, I think he won't hit as many HR's but he'll have more doubles with his speed.
But it sure is a lot easier to hit in Texas with that heat in the summer. Balls just fly out of there. But for me.... now I'm sure my opinion pales in comparison to Shamus but I'm not too enamored with a .247 avg, 11 HR's, and 57 RBI's. You can say that it was a lot with the ballpark but guys like Vinny Castilla that ended up taking a huge downturn in their statistics do so because they just suck and are old.
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Dec-08-2005 21:42
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And it's always hard about prospects vs. real major league decent hitters. If you look at the best prospects over the last 10 years, probably 90% don't turn out to be much of anything. Bill Simmons on ESPN analyzed this really well from the Beckett trade. There is obvious prospect trades that come back to haunt teams but sometimes those can't miss prospects actually do miss completely.
But I think Renteria is a piece of poo. 30 errors? And not even that much offense. Can't disagree with the trade but I don't know why they got rid of Cabrera in the first place.
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Dec-08-2005 21:46
Shamez214
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Originally posted by Member of X
And it's always hard about prospects vs. real major league decent hitters. If you look at the best prospects over the last 10 years, probably 90% don't turn out to be much of anything. Bill Simmons on ESPN analyzed this really well from the Beckett trade. There is obvious prospect trades that come back to haunt teams but sometimes those can't miss prospects actually do miss completely.
But I think Renteria is a piece of poo. 30 errors? And not even that much offense. Can't disagree with the trade but I don't know why they got rid of Cabrera in the first place.
Well, as a minors junkie, I'm pretty confident in myself when I think a player is going to be good. I'm not a scout so I don't go by "tools." I can't. I just look at the stats. And Marte's stats are eerily similar to those of David Wright.
Hanley Ramirez, on the other hand, I'm not so sure will be as great as the hype suggests.
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Dec-08-2005 23:06
Shamez214
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.266/.329/.407/.736 = The Nationals on the road.
.236/.314/.362/.676 = The Nationals at RFK.
.278/.349/.421/.771 = The rest of the NL against the Nationals on the road.
.247/.317/.371/.688 = The rest of the NL against the Nationals at RFK.
1.28 WHIP 3.56 ERA = The Nationals pitching at home.
1.46 WHIP 4.19 ERA = The Nationals pitching on the road.
.258/.318/.430/.747 = The Rangers on the road.
.278/.341/.509/.850 = The Rangers at Ameriquest.
And now... Soriano's Home/Away splits:
.315/.355/.656/1.011 = Soriano's Home stats.
.224/.265/.374/0.639 = Soriano's Away stats.
I really, really, really think Soriano is going to be TERRIBLE in the NL , in particular the NL East at RFK for 81 games. Not saying he's going to put up a .639 OPS, but somewhere around .750 for sure.
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Dec-08-2005 23:16
SlackerBoy9
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Saw a rumor that Marte is going to be shipped to the Devil rays for julio lugo
Dec-08-2005 23:27
Shamez214
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Saw a rumor that Marte is going to be shipped to the Devil rays for julio lugo
Which will make the Devil Rays even MORE of a threat in the next few years.
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Dec-08-2005 23:45
SlackerBoy9
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if they get at least one more decent arm in the rotation they will be tough
Dec-08-2005 23:48
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shamez likes baseball
but yeah my fave player goes to the Braves now, ewwww, sadly I agree with members of Juice and yeah Edgar is slippin up lately, he has some lingering injury probs and probably more that he keeps quiet.
Mets sign Valentin! give em the title now!!.........................
Dunn=this generations rob deer, dave kingman....couple of players that never helped give its teams any kind of success anytime...
Dec-09-2005 01:48
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Tejada has demanded a trade out of Baltimore,only thing i can say is..welcome to your new Red Sox Shortstop
Dec-09-2005 01:55
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wow ..
this has got to be the most active winter baseball season to remember .. so many players shifting and moving ..
it all started when the marlins decided to unload their weights ...
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Originally posted by Shamez214
.266/.329/.407/.736 = The Nationals on the road.
.236/.314/.362/.676 = The Nationals at RFK.
.278/.349/.421/.771 = The rest of the NL against the Nationals on the road.
.247/.317/.371/.688 = The rest of the NL against the Nationals at RFK.
1.28 WHIP 3.56 ERA = The Nationals pitching at home.
1.46 WHIP 4.19 ERA = The Nationals pitching on the road.
.258/.318/.430/.747 = The Rangers on the road.
.278/.341/.509/.850 = The Rangers at Ameriquest.
And now... Soriano's Home/Away splits:
.315/.355/.656/1.011 = Soriano's Home stats.
.224/.265/.374/0.639 = Soriano's Away stats.
I really, really, really think Soriano is going to be TERRIBLE in the NL , in particular the NL East at RFK for 81 games. Not saying he's going to put up a .639 OPS, but somewhere around .750 for sure.
These are very valid points and Eric Karabell on ESPN fantasy thinks Wilkerson will have a better year than Soriano as well. I think Sori will definitely take a plunge but I'm just not sold on Wilkerson. But trust me, I won't be drafting Soriano high in fantasy this year. Part of my thinking though is that he might not end up in Washington. I guess I'm surprised because I know how much he did NOT want to play the OF anywhere.
For Soriano I can see a .260 avg, 23 HR's, and 20 SB's. Not like what he's been putting up in Texas. I always loved the guy but he really is just too much of a free swinger for my tastes. He has a horrible OBP history.
Yankees got rid of Tony Ground Out errr I mean Womack. THANK THE HEAVENS AND THE LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dec-09-2005 04:03
Shamez214
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Yes. Soriano isn't going to be as "good" as he has been. This year is REALLY going to hurt his payday.
I think Wilkerson has the potential to be a really good player. He is young enough, he plays fairly decent defense, good power and great OBP. In Texas... wow. He could be a force. I really can't wait to see what their stats end up looking like.
I will also find it interesting to see what the Red Sox do. As of now, I'm thinking:
1B: Lowell
2B: Loretta
SS: Who knows?
3B: Marte/Youkilis
Though, they could keep Lowell at third and let Marte develop some more. But yeah... I think Marte is going to be great.
I really, really, really hope Omar's done with the big ticket guys though... Well... as long as he can keep Milledge and Heilman while doing it.
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