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Originally posted by kr00t0n a) most pills don't contain mdma, but a similar styled chem such as mda/mdea (which are subsequently easier and cheaper to make. 2. MDMA IS the dancey dancey, unless you get a pill with a high standard amphetemine content (speed), MDMA will make you more hyper/energetic as the mda/mdea styled stuff is more mongy, chew your face off in a corner, dibbling inanely. iii. If you are one of the lucky one's (I am), you might not get comedowns, but I only ever see this in people who are naturally happy and well centred with who they are. If you arent, then this is just the honeymoon, so enjoy it while it lasts.

yes I've heard that before but again, the people I get it off are pretty high rollers. I'm not saying it's the "best shit around" like I"ve heard so many times, but I live in a city with 300,000 people and I probably get the best batch in town. I'm fairly positive I am getting the real thing because it's always been a 2-4 hour high, feeling really good and just loving the music.

And in regard to your third point, I honestly do not get "bad" come downs where I have horrible thoughts. I know I"m still a novice, but my brother, for example, has dropped 4 times and crashes like a bi polar mofo every time....just so miserable. Me? I'm just tired and lethargic, but not actually depressed. I am a pretty content person and definitely confident with who I am mentally, even though I'm at a crossroads in life and am stressing out about my next phase. I guess we'll see how the comedowns are after awhile. If they're really bad, I will probably just cut it off completely.

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Originally posted by orl hope i didnt misunderstood u buddy...but private parties , between friends are the best way-to start with- to really understand E.. dnt you think so?

i think, to some extent that for a first time user it might be a good idea, as with any other drug really, to see what kind of affect it will have on you. However i myself prefer doing coke when i am at "private parties" as i think doing e or mdma is a bit ott for such events.

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Im not saying you will or are having problems. What i think most people agrees on however is the fact that e or mdma is by no means better than any other drug, which i kind of got the intention youre doctor was claiming.

and for the nasty afterburns etc, my experience clearly tells me the purer substance you drop the less you will suffer from any kind of issues, whether it be depression, paranoia or any other kind.

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Originally posted by 303 and for the nasty afterburns etc, my experience clearly tells me the purer substance you drop the less you will suffer from any kind of issues, whether it be depression, paranoia or any other kind.

To a degree yes, but comedowns come in various shape and sizes based on their causes.

The very nature of how MDMA works means that a person would be left lacking in a chemical that is associated with happiness and keeping your moods balanced.

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Originally posted by 303 However i myself prefer doing coke when i am at "private parties" as i think doing e or mdma is a bit ott for such events. (...)

hehe , have to agree, but we're not talking about the same parties

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Originally posted by 303 i think, to some extent that for a first time user it might be a good idea, as with any other drug really, to see what kind of affect it will have on you. However i myself prefer doing coke when i am at "private parties" as i think doing e or mdma is a bit ott for such events. Dj Smitty20, Im not saying you will or are having problems. What i think most people agrees on however is the fact that e or mdma is by no means better than any other drug, which i kind of got the intention youre doctor was claiming. and for the nasty afterburns etc, my experience clearly tells me the purer substance you drop the less you will suffer from any kind of issues, whether it be depression, paranoia or any other kind.

No no, he was not praising it. But he was pretty clear that as a stimulant in its real form, it's a safer bet than doing a lot of speed or coke or meth, etc. He did say that there are issues with withdrawal but any drug does that, including alcohol and ciggies. I know how I feel on it and I know that as long as I'm getting the right stuff, I"m not going to have a heart attack...my heart does not pound like crazy as it does when I do coke and get all nervous/anxious. That's why I prefer to do E because I know that it's going to be a good time.

I do have a question though....seems like you guys are experienced enough and my doctor said he couldn't answer the question because not enough long term studies have been conducted. How much E is too much? 50 pills over a few years...50 pills in a year? Dropping every weekend....every month? I'd say that on average, I'm in the once every month or two range and I'll keep it at that.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 [...] How much E is too much? 50 pills over a few years...50 pills in a year? Dropping every weekend....every month? I'd say that on average, I'm in the once every month or two range and I'll keep it at that.

dropping every weekend is suicidal...actually u'll soon realise that the substance has lost it's magical effects,thus u tend to stop, or maybe take a break-which usually is quite extended in time-; in both cases, it will only do u good..

i reckon 1/month is a wise intake, if u really stick to it ...u are quite tempted to disrespect this if there's a nice event or a nice Dj at the door ....been there, done that :P
further more , an undeniable fact is each person tolerence toward the substance(s)...."serious" and experienced E adepts tend to be more aware of the way to respect and preserve the balance...therefore i personnaly think that there's no "universal posologie"..however , statistics and average scales can be quite useful

i wonder if it's the frequency of poping that counts-in terms of potential side effects- rather than the number of poped pills/night..like for ex: if u pop 1pill/month , for 3 months v/s u've been clean for 3 moths and u pop 3 or 4 eccies in one night ...
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I've only ever done 1.5 in a night...did the first half, my legs felt warm, popped a whole one two hours later and went nuts. I tend to pop it later in the night (always after 11, usually 12) so I peak at the best time (1-3am), then the clubs close here and I can just go home and relax but rarely sleep. At least, that seems to be the routine I'm getting into. I think I would know that something was wrong if I had to do more than 2 a night...that is my cut off. I mean, I can see for a huge event that goes until 9am...one just isn't going to cut it probably. But yeah...moderation has always hit home with me, even when I was a typical binge drinker. My body can only take so much.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 [...] I do have a question though....seems like you guys are experienced enough and my doctor said he couldn't answer the question because not enough long term studies have been conducted. How much E is too much? 50 pills over a few years...50 pills in a year? Dropping every weekend....every month? I'd say that on average, I'm in the once every month or two range and I'll keep it at that.

Its hard to say how much is enough or too much, but as i stated a few posts up, the results from various studies shows once every third month would be a "safe" number as it would give your body time to recover. That said, i doubt many people actually put this into action, myself included. I do however try to limit my intake of MDMA to happenings that i know will benefit from it , but once a month is a limit to me.

Regarding the number of pills... it's really hard to say as the batches differs in strength and composition.

It's true there are no long-term studies but the studies made so far has proven that users of mdma loses short term memory tests compared to users which has only been doing thc. Please have a look the various MDMA researches to get a better knowledge about it.

interesting studies....I"ve actually visited that site before.

But short term memory loss is not harmful to your brain in the long term, no? It's quite true that my brain feels foggy a day or two after and I do certainly feel tired. But alcohol and coke do the exact same thing. I think a hangover is probably worse to be honest.

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okay #1, dance clubs are not to blame for drug use, #2 people who sell pills do this on their own so it's unfair to say the owners are selling drugs, #3 the estimate again is way too low, i would say around 50% if not more are rolling at the club, #4 of course E will be the drug of choice at raves/clubs, because it keeps you up, makes you wanna F***in dance, and makes the music and vibrations sound and feel practically orgasmic, i doubt the same feeling would be achieved at concerts of other genres. our beloved "hippie" festivals are similarily known for the acceptance and expectance of people gettin baked and trippin on drops and caps. It's all about the atmosphere. But why all the comotion, the cops should just lay off, we're just havin our fun. I think they shouldn't be allowed inside the clubs at all. Undercover or not, the party is for the fans, we shouldn't have to worry about someone ruining our good time. Everyone criticizes it like it's a bad thing. So In the words of Ben Harper " before you knock it, try it first, for you'll see it's a blessing and it's not a curse"

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 interesting studies....I"ve actually visited that site before. But short term memory loss is not harmful to your brain in the long term, no? It's quite true that my brain feels foggy a day or two after and I do certainly feel tired. But alcohol and coke do the exact same thing. I think a hangover is probably worse to be honest.

5HTP and I'll say it again, 5HTP (read up earlier in this thread) !!

You could also check for L-Trytophan, St. John's Wort, etc.

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