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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Yes. Sandstorm was released in 1999. Appeared in its demo form in mp3.com about a year earlier. Reason was released in 2000. Time is such an anomalous structure indeed.

Nice!

Way to not even go to the site I linked you to (discogs).

Sandstorm = 2000. Newb.

Furthermore: sandstorm uses the JP8080. Fruity Loops maybe, eh?

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Originally posted by weymouth I couldn't agree more with everyone. Young producers with a downloaded program like reason/fruity loops is killing trance and making it for internet radio instead of innovative music for the live scene. People like Jonas Steur, Mike Foyle, Arksun, Leon Boiler, Ozgur Can, Menno de Jong, DJ Shah, and Alex Stealthy, all obscure bedroom producers that have become popular in the last 2 years(as far as I know) are for some reason influencing John O'Callaghan, M.I.K.E., Kyau vs Albert, Matthew Dekay, and other established producers to create the same sounding singles. Don't get me wrong, I like some of the individual tracks that some of these people put out but when it is followed by 3 more tracks that sound almost identical only with a note changed here and there it is extremely boring music to listen to. I don't mind these artists having break out tunes but when they then create 4 more tunes that have the same structure and piano/plinky sounds as their first song they need to be forgotten by the trance community not glorified on internet radio stations. ISOS5 and ASOT2006 are perfect examples of this type of sound on their second cds. The majority of these tunes are sooo similiar to one another that the cds become background noise and the listener stops paying attention. I do like these cds but I don't like these cds as much as older ones that I own because on those you are surprised and energized when an awesome song starts to mix in and a new sound just crashes in making you throw your hands up with the beat. The energy dies when all tunes sound similiar and it is making trance boring for the listener. edit: it's amazing to see how many of these amateur producers visit the ASOT irc room to wait until their track is played. This to me is a perfect example of amateurs that are producing tracks to be heard on the net.

Just to set things straight , I had my first release in 2000 and it was made with hardware and I spent a lot of money on equipment even before I had one release, I just went the vst way afterwards because it works really good for me and it's actually not really different from making tracks with hardware only ( which as good as NOBODY is doing nowadays, even all rock albums get put together in Protools and in fact after everything is recorded producing a rock single is almost the same as doing a dance track in terms of production. I've seen studios with huge mixing desks which barely get used because the engineer is just sitting in front of his computer)

And I advise you to think about 99 again, I remember Ferry Corsten for example putting out track after track after track with the same sounds and sometimes almost the same melody... nothing has changed cause even back in the 90's, 80's , 70's and so on everybody was copying eachother and theirselves. It's just a thing people tend to do ( I try to do different stuff every release but you just can't win cause there always will be people saying that it's just the same as the previous one just because it has a 4/ 4 kick )

Oh yes... and since I'm able to make a living out of it I think I'm able to say trance is certainly not dead

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Nice! Way to not even go to the site I linked you to (discogs). Sandstorm = 2000. Newb. Furthermore: sandstorm uses the JP8080. Fruity Loops maybe, eh?

Sandstorm was a club hit here in Finland in 1999, so it's made earlier than 2000 (I thought that was the point, made before Reason?).

And It uses JP8080's patch called "Sandstorm"

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Originally posted by Estuera Just to set things straight , I had my first release in 2000 and it was made with hardware and I spent a lot of money on equipment even before I had one release, I just went the vst way afterwards because it works really good for me and it's actually not really different from making tracks with hardware only ( which as good as NOBODY is doing nowadays, even all rock albums get put together in Protools and in fact after everything is recorded producing a rock single is almost the same as doing a dance track in terms of production. I've seen studios with huge mixing desks which barely get used because the engineer is just sitting in front of his computer) And I advise you to think about 99 again, I remember Ferry Corsten for example putting out track after track after track with the same sounds and sometimes almost the same melody... nothing has changed cause even back in the 90's, 80's , 70's and so on everybody was copying eachother and theirselves. It's just a thing people tend to do ( I try to do different stuff every release but you just can't win cause there always will be people saying that it's just the same as the previous one just because it has a 4/ 4 kick ) Oh yes... and since I'm able to make a living out of it I think I'm able to say trance is certainly not dead

Ya gotta understand though, I do love most of your work, it is starting to sound a bit samey. Just get some new samples.

Other than that I think you're one of the few trance producers out there making straight forward, no bullshit, danceable melodic trance that's good for both home listening and club bangin'.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Nice! Way to not even go to the site I linked you to (discogs). Sandstorm = 2000. Newb. Furthermore: sandstorm uses the JP8080. Fruity Loops maybe, eh?

Can you not read? The very first release on the page clearly says it's from 1999. See?

You fail.

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Originally posted by Demoted Ya gotta understand though, I do love most of your work, it is starting to sound a bit samey. Just get some new samples. Other than that I think you're one of the few trance producers out there making straight forward, no bullshit, danceable melodic trance that's good for both home listening and club bangin'.

Thanks for the compliment
And about the tracks sounding the same stuff...just check out all the stuff I did the last 2 years and you'll hear it's not that bad, compare castamara and second turn for example and you'll notice that they are very different. ( offcourse I do have a certain 'sound' in all my stuff but even that is slowly evolving all the time )

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Originally posted by Estuera Thanks for the compliment And about the tracks sounding the same stuff...just check out all the stuff I did the last 2 years and you'll hear it's not that bad, compare castamara and second turn for example and you'll notice that they are very different. ( offcourse I do have a certain 'sound' in all my stuff but even that is evolving slowly all the time )

Ehh I can still here some sameyness between Second Turn and Castamara, but it's more of the trademark Steur sound. Currently it's more the guitaring samples and string samples in your tracks which are prevalent in Sonrisa, Second Turn, Nightshift, Above, and some of the other newer ones. I hope I'm not the only one that thinks they sound eerily similar. I still really like them, hell, Second Turn was on my myspace for a while there, but I could definitely go for a brand spankin' new guitar/string sample as well as some other new percs

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Originally posted by Demoted Ehh I can still here some sameyness between Second Turn and Castamara, but it's more of the trademark Steur sound. Currently it's more the guitaring samples and string samples in your tracks which are prevalent in Sonrisa, Second Turn, Nightshift, Above, and some of the other newer ones. I hope I'm not the only one that thinks they sound eerily similar. I still really like them, hell, Second Turn was on my myspace for a while there, but I could definitely go for a brand spankin' new guitar/string sample as well as some other new percs

Believe me or not but I used different synths in all of the tracks you just mentioned and I can swear I never used the same perc loop twice It's just my 'sound' shining trough I guess. I can hear the same thing with all the producers I like myself, so I don't really worry if that's the major concern people have with my music.

So back on topic

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Originally posted by Estuera Believe me or not but I used different synths in all of the tracks you just mentioned and I can swear I never used the same perc loop twice It's just my 'sound' shining trough I guess. I can hear the same thing with all the producers I like myself, so I don't really worry if that's the major concern people have with my music. So back on topic

Heh, yeah.

Anyways, back on topic, sure 2006 trance isn't all too great. But dance music isn't supposed to be stationary and remain stagnant. To be honest, I'd be right pissed if trance sounded as it did back in 1999 because by now it would have been done over so many times it hurts (which it actually has in a sense).

Just branch out beyond trance if it's annoying you, there's a whole other world out there, be it just in EDM, or whatever else piques your interest.

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Originally posted by Estuera Believe me or not but I used different synths in all of the tracks you just mentioned and I can swear I never used the same perc loop twice It's just my 'sound' shining trough I guess. I can hear the same thing with all the producers I like myself, so I don't really worry if that's the major concern people have with my music.

It's just that every other producer is producing the same exact sounding tracks, that isn't your fault but it is annoying for the fans. If you, Alex Stealthy, Mike Foyle, and Leon Boiler all created a new single and asked the fans to try to tell who made which, it would be difficult to the average listener. Take your set from ASOT 250 for example:

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01. Fable- Above [Intuition Recordings]
02. Estuera Vs. Mr. Sam Feat. Kirsty Hawkshaw - Split The South (Jonas Steur "Revision Flow" Bootleg) [CD-R]
03. Mr. Sam - Split (Jonas Steur Remix)
04. T4L - Maximus [Blackhole Recordings]
05. Dawnseekers - Gothic Dream (John Johnson Remix) [Platipus]
06. Bolier & Coenraad - The Mighty Ducks
07. Kyau Vs. Albert - Kiksu [Anjunabeats]
08. Jonas Steur - Sonrisa [Intuition Recordings]
09. Governor Pres. Orjan - Arctic Globe (Festival Edit) [Intuition Recordings]
10. Re:Locate Feat. Menno de Jong - Spirit [Galactive]
11. Fable - Nightshift [Intuition Recordings]

Some good songs in there, I like most of them as individual songs but put them into a set and there is no progression, energy, or even much change. I remember listening to that set after the classic hour(tough act to follow) and losing interest about 3 songs in because it seemed so similiar. Maybe they made yah play like that, I don't know, but trance used to have energy and hypnotic sounds and in it's place is orchestra energy trance. Maybe my beef is with the DJs and not really the copying producers and I wish I was less ignorant about the entire process but this conversation is good for the scene.

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Originally posted by Demoted Heh, yeah. Anyways, back on topic, sure 2006 trance isn't all too great. But dance music isn't supposed to be stationary and remain stagnant. To be honest, I'd be right pissed if trance sounded as it did back in 1999 because by now it would have been done over so many times it hurts (which it actually has in a sense). Just branch out beyond trance if it's annoying you, there's a whole other world out there, be it just in EDM, or whatever else piques your interest.

Yeah I agree. I've listened to a lot of the stuff in the trance section on Beatport but nothing that really engages me. I think the better productions are in the progressive house section, which also has some more melodic stuff in there. I don't think it's really McProg, but rather this more melodic progressive stuff that Armin nor Markus Schulz is playing much of. I'm talking about stuff like Snake Sedrick, Jay Lumen, Subsky, Clubbervision, Moonbeam, The Last Atlant, Yvel & Tristan, Cassino & Laben, Benz & MD, Retroid, Madoka, Storyteller, Joel Armstrong, Damien Heck, Darioef, Andrew K, V-Sag, Alican & Soner and many others... I think this area is where the really good stuff is coming from. If it weren't for sites like Beatport, I wouldn't have heard this stuff.

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Originally posted by weymouth It's just that every other producer is producing the same exact sounding tracks, that isn't your fault but it is annoying for the fans. If you, Alex Stealthy, Mike Foyle, and Leon Boiler all created a new single and asked the fans to try to tell who made which, it would be difficult to the average listener. Take your set from ASOT 250 for example: Jonas Steur 01. Fable- Above [Intuition Recordings] 02. Estuera Vs. Mr. Sam Feat. Kirsty Hawkshaw - Split The South (Jonas Steur "Revision Flow" Bootleg) [CD-R] 03. Mr. Sam - Split (Jonas Steur Remix) 04. T4L - Maximus [Blackhole Recordings] 05. Dawnseekers - Gothic Dream (John Johnson Remix) [Platipus] 06. Bolier & Coenraad - The Mighty Ducks 07. Kyau Vs. Albert - Kiksu [Anjunabeats] 08. Jonas Steur - Sonrisa [Intuition Recordings] 09. Governor Pres. Orjan - Arctic Globe (Festival Edit) [Intuition Recordings] 10. Re:Locate Feat. Menno de Jong - Spirit [Galactive] 11. Fable - Nightshift [Intuition Recordings] Some good songs in there, I like most of them as individual songs but put them into a set and there is no progression, energy, or even much change. I remember listening to that set after the classic hour(tough act to follow) and losing interest about 3 songs in because it seemed so similiar. Maybe they made yah play like that, I don't know, but trance used to have energy and hypnotic sounds and in it's place is orchestra energy trance. Maybe my beef is with the DJs and not really the copying producers and I wish I was less ignorant about the entire process but this conversation is good for the scene.

Well about that set, tastes can differ. All I know is that a set like that is getting the crowd going really well and I don't agree about having no progression in it. But ok, you shouldn't be listening to livesets on your pc you need to hear them live , that's what it's all about.

The only reason it looks like everybody is complaining a lot more than in the past right now is because everything is a lot more visible , in 99 the internet was just getting popular. Nowadays it's the biggest source of nagging in the world

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