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Originally posted by Cal Well military aircraft are pretty much out for Italy in the 1500s, so that leaves crazies, liars, and natural phenomena (also known as stuff that happens that modern science can't explain ).

sorry, wheres this evidence of 1500s UFO? coz there isnt any.

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Originally posted by Cal I don't know any natural phenomena that looks/behaves like a UFO, but I do know that UFO's fall under the "stuff that modern science can't explain," so explaining "stuff that can't be explained" by "stuff that happens in nature that can't be explained" is out too.

you might not know, but there are plenty of lesser souls that wouldnt know if you were up them with an arm full of chairs. strange lights in the sky. ooooh! must be alien UFOs!

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Originally posted by Cal Leaving liars and crazies. Now, lies/pranks/jokes being put in paintings like this at a time where people were getting tortured and burned for much less (think spanish inquisition) seems pretty ridiculous. People really were seeing those things.

artistic lisence. wheres the corresponding text? documented sitings etc?

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Originally posted by Cal So it must be everyone that everyone that drew/commisioned a painting with a UFO in the background in 1500s Italy (in other words, the rich nobles and merchants, people with much to lose) was either insane or wanted problems with the Catholic Church.

see above. as far as im concerned its you guys that are giving these paintings all this meaning. half those pics dont even resemble anything like a saucer. the only people these paintings convince are those that have an intense need to believe.

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Originally posted by Cal Your explanations just don't seem to stand on their own, friend.

to someone from the tinfoil hat brigade perhaps.

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Originally posted by Cal You remind me of me a few years ago when I was an atheist making fun of people who believed in God. I was such a smug bastard, and I was really hurting people when I threw science in their face and laughed at them. I realized something since then. Both people who strongly believe and people who don't believe in something like God, or aliens, or whatever, they see the same thing, but they either see it at a "glass is half-full, grass is half-empty" perspective.

bollocks. given the nature and laws of our universe, magic & alien life needs more evidence then some paintings to convince you. or at least it should. the difference between science and religion/belief in aliens is faith. an untestable doctrine.

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Originally posted by Cal So when you come in a UFO thread and start your pimply fourteen year-old stuck up "prove it" attitude, it pisses me off.

dont care. it only pisses you off because you have your assumptions based on minor available data, which is a long fucking cry from a slam dunk.

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Originally posted by Cal I don't need to prove jack shit to you. You need to prove TO ME that every single recorded instance of UFO sightings out there has nothing to do with existance of sentient life outside of Earth. You need to prove TO ME that it's impossible for intelligent life to develop ahead of the human race, and then come here for whatever purpose.

more bullshit. youre arguing ETs exist. im not saying they dont. im saying that you need to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. which you cant.

its simply unscientific and illogical to have such a strong faith in something this fantastic without an equally fantastic amount of evidence. blurry photos and paintings just arent enough for me boy.

see you at loch ness.

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In 1500s, Leonardo Va Vinci drew amazing diagrams and designs of advanced technology using his medieval mind ... helicopters, airplanes, and other technology - the first helicopter - Sikorskiy helicopter - was based/inspired by these designs.

Where do you think Leonardo Da Vinci got his ideas from? Do you think his ideas are just luck and coincidence - would it actually make more sense to conclude that his designs were based on something that he saw during his life, just like the painting from the era purport to show?

You just admitted that some of those pictures resemble some kind of alien or advanced technology unavailable at the time. Where do you think these ideas came from? Thats one heck of imagination these people had, I'd say.

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yep, and the mona lisa was an extra terrestial too.

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Oh whats the point. I may not be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that aliens exist, but you are not able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they do NOT exist. Difference between us is, unlike you, I don't come across as a condesending douchebag when I present my opinion.


PS - by the way, if you read some of the notes next to the photos on that UFO art webpage you'll find your precious documentation.

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Domino or "cigar shaped" craft also appear in ancient art ~ Notabilia Temporum by Angelo de Tummulillis (left) describes a "flaming girder" sighted in February 1465 the sky during the reign of Enrico IV ~ a similar renaissance illustration (right) of a UFO sighting in that occurred in Rome detailed in the book "Prodigiorum Liber" by Roman historian Julio Obsequens. The caption translates: "Something like a sort of weapon, or missile, rose with a great noise from the earth and soared into the sky."

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"The globes, crosses and tubes began to fight one another, and this went on for an hour. Then they all fell to earth, as if on fire, and faded slowly away producing a lot of steam. Afterwards a black spear-like object was seen, and the whole event was taken to be a divine warning."

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The objects were described as being "two glowing wheels"

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These images from the 12th century manuscript "Annales Laurissenses" (Latin for "volumes" or "books" about "historical and religious" events) depicts the Saxon siege of Sigiburg Castle, France, in the year 776. The Crusaders had the medieval French completely surrounded when the "flaming shields" suddenly appeared in the sky; (the manuscript reports this as being over a church). Assuming the French were being protected, the Saxons fled in fear from the UFOs.

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The above image comes from the 10th Century Tibetan translation of the Sanskrit text "Prajnaparamita Sutra", held at a Japanese museum. In the enlargement you can see two objects that look like hats, but why are they floating in mid air? Also one of them appears to have port holes on it. Indian Vedic texts are full of descriptions of Vimanas. The Ramayana describes Vimanas as a double decked, circular or cylindrical aircraft with portholes and a dome. It flew with "the speed of the wind" and gave forth a "melodious sound."

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Originally posted by dj_bas wow awesome!! that's way bigger than mine

Check this Alien Architecture. The Soviets built it but how they had no money and the Russians are stupid people too.









This is Alien

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Check this Alien Architecture. The Soviets built it but how they had no money and the Russians are stupid people too. This is Alien

Even though its funny this wont advance your point man, dont bring the COR antics here, i dont think this thread has degenerated to that yet

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome