you don't have to strike out everyone to be successful, especially if you have a killer sinker, thats groundball heaven - the only bad thing about being a sinker ball pitcher is that if you aren't getting movement on your pitches they tend to stay up in the zone and become watermelon size to the hitters

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 Where's Matsui & doug mientkiewicz (remember he was brought in especially for his defense) My lineup: Damon Jeter Abreu A Rod Giambi Matsui Cano Posada Mientkiewicz / Phillips

offload matsui,,or keep him in a bernie williams type role...sorry but matsui and sheff cost us the world series...

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Originally posted by kid nyce you don't have to strike out everyone to be successful, especially if you have a killer sinker, thats groundball heaven - the only bad thing about being a sinker ball pitcher is that if you aren't getting movement on your pitches they tend to stay up in the zone and become watermelon size to the hitters

Show me a pitcher in history that has been successful who has a 3.14 K/9. It just doesn't happen. The more balls put in play, the more balls are going to drop for hits.

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Originally posted by Shamez214 Show me a pitcher in history that has been successful who has a 3.14 K/9. It just doesn't happen. The more balls put in play, the more balls are going to drop for hits.

wangs numbers were fucking great last season...not the best but wtf...
we won our league but unfortunately Torre had a huge dilemma on his hands...sheff was a mess at first base and matsui will never be better than melke in left field....bring back bubba crosby...

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Originally posted by Shamez214 Show me a pitcher in history that has been successful who has a 3.14 K/9. It just doesn't happen. The more balls put in play, the more balls are going to drop for hits.

want some met fan glory?

julio franco - you're telling me this boy lived on striking people out but was not a successful closer by letting batters put the ball in play?

jim abbott - his blazing fastball and his one hand? he was just as successful with the ball in play

the reason why i support wang and i support the whole put the ball in play to make outs is because any pitcher who thinks they can dominate the MLB by throwing gas is pretty much a dead arm. I myself was a slow ball pitcher, i threw groundballs all the time and it carried me all the way through college ball.

also notice that i'm ignoring your 'show me a pitcher in history' which is clearly a yell for 'can you look up some statistical facts to support your argument', because i know it's an effective pitching strategy, i know because i threw and used it myself lol i dont need statistics to back up my experience, maybe from another persons point of view who isn't as experienced may rely on statistics to show truth, i don't. i'm not trying to separate myself from anyone here or say i know more about the game than anyone else, just that i have a different perspective on the game and the fundamentals of how its played than most people who watch it.

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Originally posted by kid nyce want some met fan glory? julio franco - you're telling me this boy lived on striking people out but was not a successful closer by letting batters put the ball in play? jim abbott - his blazing fastball and his one hand? he was just as successful with the ball in play the reason why i support wang and i support the whole put the ball in play to make outs is because any pitcher who thinks they can dominate the MLB by throwing gas is pretty much a dead arm. I myself was a slow ball pitcher, i threw groundballs all the time and it carried me all the way through college ball. also notice that i'm ignoring your 'show me a pitcher in history' which is clearly a yell for 'can you look up some statistical facts to support your argument', because i know it's an effective pitching strategy, i know because i threw and used it myself lol i dont need statistics to back up my experience, maybe from another persons point of view who isn't as experienced may rely on statistics to show truth, i don't. i'm not trying to separate myself from anyone here or say i know more about the game than anyone else, just that i have a different perspective on the game and the fundamentals of how its played than most people who watch it.

I didn't realize you've pitched in the major leagues.

Also, Jim Abbott didn't strike many people out, true. But he wasn't that great either. And, when he did have a good year, surprise, surprise, his K numbers were better than usual.

And... John Franco was a strike out pitcher.

I don't see how you can honestly say that putting the ball in play is better than striking people out. I never said you have to throw 99 to K people, look at Zito or Maddux. If I strike someone out, there is almost a zero chance that he will make it to first. If he hits the ball, the odds jumped up quite a bit. Not only could it fall where no one can get to it, or squeak by an infielder, but it could also be fielded poorly or even beat out by a fast runner.

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what good is a pitcher if he can't rely on the other 8 players on the field? same goes for what good is the pitcher if the other 8 can't rely on him to throw strikes. would you rather have a walk-athon then dunkers and errors? i'd always would want to the ball in play then say giving up the free pass...ball in play means the pitcher is throwing strikes...of course we'd all love to have a pitcher burning the mit and blowing holes through swings, fact is those are the pitchers that tend to get hit the hardest because hitters don't need to swing with power they just need to make contact...

where as a less of a threat pitcher can craftly place pitches that induce ground balls, a fire arm usually means either he's hitting the zone with heat, the balls traveling out of the park with heat, or it's a walk-athon. more controlled pitching less strike out power more groundball power means the pitchers arm can last longer, he's effective in shutting down an offense by making the offense get themselves out.

i didn't pitch the anywhere near those league levels just in my mind i'd rather throw a groundball then say chance a strikeout versus a walk or homerun...granted as you go up in those leagues hitters are more patient and selective that doesn't mean a sinker down or a cutter in inducing a groundball isn't as good as continuous heat

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Theres really no room to screw with the Yankee line-up, chances are what people expect it to be, it will be...

Damon, Jeter, Abreu, ARod, Cano, Giambi, Matsui, Posada, Mienkeiwitz

The tricky part about having so many really good hitters is the strategy of where you want to put them. I like Cano in the 5th spot because he hits for average and can get alot more RBI's than Giambi in that spot, plus this doesnt impinge on Giambi's numbers cause Cano gets on base and can advance runners also.

Im glad we finally got a good defender at 1B.


*from the other MLB thread.

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Originally posted by Vlad Theres really no room to screw with the Yankee line-up, chances are what people expect it to be, it will be... Damon, Jeter, Abreu, ARod, Cano, Giambi, Matsui, Posada, Mienkeiwitz The tricky part about having so many really good hitters is the strategy of where you want to put them. I like Cano in the 5th spot because he hits for average and can get alot more RBI's than Giambi in that spot, plus this doesnt impinge on Giambi's numbers cause Cano gets on base and can advance runners also. Im glad we finally got a good defender at 1B. *from the other MLB thread.

we needed that vlad...first base was the only weak spot in the whole team....

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Originally posted by kid nyce what good is a pitcher if he can't rely on the other 8 players on the field? same goes for what good is the pitcher if the other 8 can't rely on him to throw strikes. would you rather have a walk-athon then dunkers and errors? i'd always would want to the ball in play then say giving up the free pass...ball in play means the pitcher is throwing strikes...of course we'd all love to have a pitcher burning the mit and blowing holes through swings, fact is those are the pitchers that tend to get hit the hardest because hitters don't need to swing with power they just need to make contact... where as a less of a threat pitcher can craftly place pitches that induce ground balls, a fire arm usually means either he's hitting the zone with heat, the balls traveling out of the park with heat, or it's a walk-athon. more controlled pitching less strike out power more groundball power means the pitchers arm can last longer, he's effective in shutting down an offense by making the offense get themselves out. i didn't pitch the anywhere near those league levels just in my mind i'd rather throw a groundball then say chance a strikeout versus a walk or homerun...granted as you go up in those leagues hitters are more patient and selective that doesn't mean a sinker down or a cutter in inducing a groundball isn't as good as continuous heat

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree here.

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Originally posted by Shamez214 I think we'll just have to agree to disagree here.

i think you need to let me know when ur coming out so we can get plastered same for arnold he's been hiding too

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Originally posted by kid nyce i think you need to let me know when ur coming out so we can get plastered same for arnold he's been hiding too

Pacha. Friday. Duh.

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