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Originally posted by Q5echo he's kinda right though. i mean if you are serious about setting yourself on fire, or doing anything destructive, why not do it now? you're just waiting for someone to give you an excuse? that in itself is pretty lame given IT'S IRAN ffs!

He's not "Kinda" right. He's not right at all. Why would I do it now? Because of Iraq? The invasion already happened, I can't change that. The only thing that bugs me about Iraq is the lack of Everything being invested into the stabilization process. Nothing is being done right. It's certainly nothing to fret over, in my opinion.

If Iran is invaded by the United States, it's just aggression, plain and simple. When I see my country as aggressive, something needs to be changed. I may not burn myself (That would hurt, and taking pain killers would defeat the purpose of burning myself in protest, in my opinion). I definitely would go on a hunger strike, it seems reasonable. I have enough money to take a many weeks off from work, so it would be no problem. I will go to Washington, D.C., and go on an hunger strike if an Invasion of Iran occurs.

And "It's Iran"?

It's our planet. If we invade Iran, expect another Cold War (Not with Russia, necessarily), or even another World War. I care about consequences on a broader scale.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Are you still whining about liberals??? The liberals can look at your face, point and say "I TOLD YOU SO" So stick a carrot up your ass

Come on guys, we can agree to disagree, but the 5yr old antics can really stop anytime...

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Originally posted by Q5echo nice obfuscation. it has totally replaced your notion of war into a convenient utopian worldview. you are the prototypical modern liberal. IOW "In order to eliminate discrimination, the modern liberal has opted to become utterly indiscriminate."

Calling someone a liberal is not sufficient grounds for a counterpoint.

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Originally posted by Lilith Key point is, that at the moment England is certainly not in any position to blow up a country on our own (nuclear force not withstanding) for a few years, still suffering from the downsizing of the 80's and 90's to the point where it's extremely difficult to project the force needed. Certainly don't think economically England is up to shape either.

I know it's a small kinda off topic point... but one of the guys is Scottish. And it is more the British armed forces. (just kinda like saying Scotland is in England at a time when nearly 50% want to leave Britain never mind being a separate country to England)

But I recon it won't even go as far as sanctions.

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Originally posted by venomX They're both proven liers. You're preference of believing your side of the story is a clear bias of living in the US. Now the interesting question is, if you have that bias, wouldn't others also have it? And if you can understand this concept, wouldn't you also espouse the belief that this type of intimidation and warmongering doesn't amount to anything else than escalation which will surely be followed by more war, more instability, more hunger and more suffering. Notice that in that list you'll never find anything positive, as with all wars. No war has ever brought any good, only of course the spoils for the victor. And if that is the point, the spoils, why cover it up and pretend you're doing good?

I kind of agree, but I'm way more inclined to believe members of nations who allow dissent and questioning of the government than those from nations where dissent is stifled and bloggers are jailed.

Also, Iran isn't doing themselves any favors by breaking Geneva Convention protocol by parading the UK soldiers on TV.

Lastly, for all the people storming the UK embassy in Iran demanding the heads of these 15 people, EVEN IF your maps and GPS were right, it was less than 1.5 miles, on water. For fuck's sake, they weren't spying, or even searching an Iranian ship. They could have just as easily contacted the British ambassadors and registered a complaint about the whole issue.

But then again, if they'd have done that, their profit from increased oil sales wouldn't be up an average of nearly $100 million/day.

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Source: Jerusalem post The United States will be ready to launch a missile attack on Iran's nuclear facilities as soon as early this month, perhaps "from 4 a.m. until 4 p.m. on April 6," according to reports in the Russian media on Saturday. According to Russian intelligence sources, the reports said, the US has devised a plan to attack several targets in Iran, and an assault could be carried out by launching missiles from fighter jets and warships stationed in the Persian Gulf. Russian news agency RIA Novosti quoted a security official as saying, "Russian intelligence has information that the US Armed Forces stationed in the Persian Gulf have nearly completed preparations for a missile strike. The Russian Defense Ministry rejected the claims of an imminent attack as "myths." There was no immediate response from Washington. The reports come as the Iranian chief of staff, Hassan Fayrouz Abadi, was quoted on Saturday by Iran's Fars news agency warning leaders of Arab countries that Israel plans to open a "suicidal attack" on its neighbors this summer, to "prevent the withdrawal of the US troops from Iraq and the area." "I warn the dear leaders and Muslim brothers in the neighboring countries of the occupied territories that this suicidal attack of the Zionists is threatening them," he said. The countries in danger, he said, were "Lebanon and Syria, and later Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia." Also on Saturday, Russia urged Britain and Teheran to resolve the dispute over 15 British sailors and marines captured by Iran last week, a local news agency reported. Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mikhail Kamynin urged the two sides to provide the United Nations with their own assessments as to what happened and where exactly the detention occurred so that the body could conduct an independent probe.

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I dont know what to believe here,I just hope this is all a myth and just some tactics trying toscare Iran to release the british hostages.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Calling someone a liberal is not sufficient grounds for a counterpoint.

you're right. thats why i criticized his attempt to simplify the matter by implying that both parties lie was in no way an answer to the problem at hand and found his insight on war was utopian at best.

ultimately, the quote "In order to eliminate discrimination, the modern liberal has opted to become utterly indiscriminate" was my rebuttal and i think it applies to only one world view, and that would be his, the modern liberal's.

you've prolly already noticed i'm not that big on diatribes. i'm not that fluent of thought. i like to keep my points as short and succinct but effective as i think possible.

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Originally posted by ******** THERE IS NO LEGITIMATE REASON FOR WAR IN IRAN, other than politics.

i totally agree. nothing Iran has done, however, would imply that they agree with us. so...........

the dteails are sketchy, but it was a cotentious littoral (sea coast) area. by the looks of it, if they were in Iranian waters they were a few thousand yards in at best.

or just enough to be confused about it in inflatable rib boats without proper navigational equipment such as the ones the Brits were in.

they [the Brits] are under a UN mandate to check outgoing vessels from an Iraqi port for contraband. nothing unusual there.

this is not Iran's war. or is it? who the f**k knows. only they do.

if it indeed is a "relatively small area" then what is Iran's malfunction? if it is so easy for you and i to understand that, then why can't Iran?

i'll tell you why. this is a game to them. not some misunderstanding over a marine demarcation.

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